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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I will never understand this all-or-nothing attitude about vegetarianism. Why can’t people eat less meat or almost none but not be so militant about it? Do they need the capital V Vegetarian label? Choose to not eat meat, don’t join a cult. If someone makes soup with chicken stock or someone puts jello in a dessert, eat it if you want to. If you try to live your life in such a moral black & white way, you will fail at every turn. [/quote]

I am a life long vegetarian. I am raising my kid the same way because, like any other parenting decision, you want your kid to choose the healthier/ better choice.

I welcome your choice to limit your meat intake and not become a vegetarian, but how does my kinder choice make me 'militant'? The ones eating meat are responsible for terrorizing and slaughter of millions of animals. So maybe you should be asking yourself - why be so militant about food? When there are so many other options available in this day and age. I haven't tried to convert anyone to vegetarianism in my life, everyone gets to choose what they want, but since you asked - your food choice is taking away a life for every single meal you consume. So get off your high horse!

What is this moral black and white you are talking about?? Is little bit of racism ok, how about a tiny amount of sexism? Or, you think its ok to just assault someone as long as you are not raping or killing them?? coz black & white way yo!

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Wow. Firstly, humans evolved to eat meat. Secondly, tons of field mice are killed when vegetables are harvested. In your world view, are their lives less meaningful than a pig or a cow?[/quote]

Lol! The same old excuses! We also used to live in huts and jungles and cook using fire pits and guess what else - no internet, or suburban housing or branded clothes or modern medicine either  :roll: When are you planning on going back to that? Huh?

It’s time to evolve and be kind to Earth and our fellow beings. I am not asking you to change anything about your lifestyle, go ahead and continue to carry on the cycle. But you don’t have any logical legs to justify it. Atleast be aware of the environmental and humane cost of it before you come and argue about it. As for the field mice - I’d repeat, please go ahead and educate yourself and compare the impact of factory farmed animals vs crops.

That’ll be the real ‘wow’ moment. And please, you can keep your fake ‘sadly’ for the mice to yourself. As if you really care! [/quote]

You know not everyone eats factory farmed meat, right? I don’t eat much meat, but when I do it’s because DH went to the farmer’s market and bought something from a small local farm where the animals are well cared for and humanely killed.

PP, do you eat almonds farmed in California? Drink almond milk? Ever eat a banana? Or heaven forbid an apple in the spring? Do you fly on airplanes? Do you have a pet? Have you ever been to a zoo? Ever eat something with palm oil or even just sugar? Do you drink coffee? Your moral rigidity is not doing you any favors because now if you’re guilty of any of these things, you are making decisions that harm the environment. And personally, I think killing thousands of animals and hurting the health of millions of humans because thousands of acres of rainforest were destroyed for your “plant-based” diet is worse than killing one cow in West Virginia. That pair of jeans you got from H&M? Well the dye they used is destroying the oceans and killing marine life. Have you ever used a plastic straw? (Good lord!) The fact of your very existence is harmful to animals. Slap yourself on the back for not eating animals, but judging others when you are just as guilty of moral transgressions is disgusting. [/quote]

And I am sure you do each and every thing that that you listed too. So, all that on top of meat & other animal products. You do the math! I get life is hard and being plant based in one more thing to deal with on top of all our problems. We can’t live while doing zero harm, but we sure can try to minimize the damage we do.

All of us on this post are really privatized and among the top few percentages in the world. A middle class person here lives like a king compared to a large part of human population around the world. And those poor people are the ones that don’t get to enjoy the benefits of this age of over-consumption but surely are the first ones to face the damages. Same for the animals too, their habitats are being destroyed every day. We think those things will never reach us and we are safe in our bubble. But someday it will, if not us then our children. We worry so much about our kids, and every small need that they have. What about the children everywhere? What about the small baby animals that are snatched away from their mothers and slaughtered? It’s all very heavy and it’s difficult to change. You don’t have to give up all your meat but please atleast open your mind. And the rest will follow.

recognize your privilege. [/quote]
This is a strange response. The point of the post was that everyone is complicit in the suffering of animals and environmental damage. So while I think it’s great you eat ZERO meat, I will eat a local steak or some responsibly farmed fish every once in a while. You may take flights or drive a car, I don’t drive anywhere or travel much but I am not going to judge you and rant about your ethics. What I will do is point out your hypocrisy if you want to throw stones. Baby steps and small change is how you better the world. Not joining some club with rigid rules. Maybe not eating animals products is the thing you choose but for someone else they may choose to live in a smaller home or take the train or buy second hand or have less children. You sound incredibly naive and unaware of the complexities of life. [/quote]

Did your ‘local steak’ said it was ok to kill them, since you live in a small house with no kids and don’t travel anywhere and never eat any restaurant that doesn’t use your local farmer.  Did it hurt them less to be killed for your lunch? I bet the fish loved dying for a gentle soul like you. What sacrifices you make.  Bravo!

The response is not strange, it’s just bouncing off your closed mind. With all those points you make, all you are doing is deflecting. What’s complex about saying I will not eat meat? Whatever excuses you make for it- are exactly the same ones made my oppressors for centuries who despite ample evidence choose to value their own comfort and conditioning above others.

Lol! Is there a rigid club I need to join? Damn, I missed my badge. Well, you did say I was naive! [/quote]

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