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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Returning to the original question, I would not spend out of state tuition to send my kids for undergraduate studies at one of University of California schools (such as Berkeley or UCLA) due to terrible budget concerns and overcrowding that cause [b]kids to take 6 years to graduate, on average.    [/b][/quote]

I don’t understand this comment. The four year grad rate at UCLA and Berkeley is 77% and 75% respectively. With the exception of UVA and W&M, that’s right on par with other top publics. [/quote]

These grad rates at UCs are artificially inflated because both Berkeley and UCLA each take in thousands of transfer students from California community colleges each year and count those grads in their overall grad rates. The real 4-year grad rate for a given freshman class is lower than those numbers. Berkeley and UCLA are still great choices for many grad school programs but the undergrad education at those schools is very subpar even with in state tuition for all the reasons mentioned (huge classes, horrible bureaucracy, lack of class community due to limited on-campus housing and constant influx and outflux of students). California parents who live in wealthier areas almost always prefer to send their child to T20-30 private over any UC if kid can get admitted.[/quote]
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That’s not what their common data set says. Of the 4677 first-time, first-year feshmen who entered UC Berkeley in 2013, 3554 graduated in 4 years (76%). Of the 4127 freshmen who entered UC Berkeley in 2012, 3079 graduated in 4 years — 75%.

https://opa.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/uc_berkeley_cds_2019-20.may.11.2020.xlsx[/quote]

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