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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Meh. Sure they need to honor the current contract and then renegotiate... But Women and their work have been intrinsically undervalued for all of history. The idea of parity is new, and will take decades to correct. I don’t blame any women for becoming infuriated at the injustice of that.[/quote] No they haven’t. That’s a leftist lie.[/quote] Yes they are. You can’t possibly be that ignorant. It’s not only about dollar comparison of the same work. Work that is “women’s work”- childcare, teaching, domestic work... it’s is seen as less valuable by virtue of who traditionally performed the job. [/quote] Maybe because those jobs, except teaching, typically don't need an education? [/quote] Plenty of jobs traditionally performed by men don’t require an education, yet are more valued. Stagehands are a perfect a direct example of this. The stagehand union is traditionally ( not exclusively) made up of men doing “men’s work”- please understand I know women are in that union. They are part of an international union IATSE. The wardrobe union is part of the same international. They are the same union with different locals, and relatively similar training and education among the ranks. A stagehand handing off a prop will make 50 dollars an hour. A member of wardrobe will make 22 dollars an hour for doing much more actual ( and often highly skilled) work. It’s easy to be flippant and say, “ well, wardrobe should just negotiate for more money”. They are two workforces, both represented by a CBA, but the “women’s work” has decades of undervalue at the table to make up. Every year each local gets a cola of 2%, the dressers fall further and further behind. I’m not super familiar with the women’s soccer complaints, but this thread is already reeking from a disturbing stench of deep ( possible subconscious) misogyny. Our worldview is shaped over a lifetime and our perspective on women and their worth is scarred by a million tiny cuts as we go. Many don’t see how distorted it is. It’s the norm.[/quote] I don't know about the theater, but it sounds like the union is misogynistic. Maybe they can form their own or break free of them and be independent? Sounds like being unionized is doing them no favors and costing them dearly.[/quote] As a rule, all workers benefit from a CBA. You will almost always make more, have better benefits, better healthcare, working conditions, etc etc... I’m not going to argue that there isn’t misogyny amongst stagehands, but they don’t negotiate contracts. Lawyers and managers negotiate contracts. I’m happy to start a new thread on that topic, I don’t want to further derail this one. [/quote]
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