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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] Try getting in to one of these places these days.[/quote]

Why wouldn’t a very good student get in?[/quote]

I find it interesting that this year only UVA and VT managed to meet their enrollment targets (VT in catastrophic fashion, of course).  Nationwide, the number of students has been [url=https://hechingerreport.org/universities-colleges-struggle-stem-big-drops-enrollment/]dropping significantly over the last decade[/url],[b] so contrary to what you may have heard, a student of the class of 2023 probably has a better chance of getting into a top school [/b](at any level, public or not) than a student of the class of 2013.[/quote]

Define "top school." I call BS on this. [/quote]

You don't need to define "top school."

In 2011, there were 20.4 million students enrolled. In 2017, it was 18 million students, mostly due to declining birthrates. [url=https://hechingerreport.org/universities-colleges-struggle-stem-big-drops-enrollment/]Source[/url]. Read [url=https://www.insidehighered.com/news/survey/2018-surveys-admissions-leaders-pressure-grows]this 2018 report about how colleges can't fill their slots[/url], and international enrollment didn't help.

Now let's assume that there a X slot[b] at top schools. [/b]Let's assume (pessimistically) that X didn't change between 2011 and 2017 (whatever the top schools are, they didn't decrease capacity). Let's assume, completely naively, that the top schools admit the best applicants (ok, this is getting a bit too theoretical, but stick with me.)

So in 2011, you needed to be in the top (1 - X/20.4M) * 100 percentile to get one of these slots. In 2017, it sufficed to be in the (1 - X/18M) * 100 percentile. In other words, the number of students with whom you compete for slots at "top schools" - however you define them - decreased by 11%.  This means that a fair number of students who based on their relative standing to their peers weren't admitted to top schools in 2011 were admitted in 2017.  In reality, X has increased since "top schools" - by whatever definition have seen positive capacity growth, exacerbating this effect.
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What are the "top schools"?  Your post is meaningless unless you answer this question, which you completely ducked. [/quote]

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