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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Oberlin College includes a world-class conservatory. The idea that Oberlin is all SJW just doesn’t pass the smell tes.  Its conservatory students go on to place in most famous orchestras in the country.  I just can’t imagine every one of them breathing fire.[/quote]

Conservatory students tend to exist in isolation from the rest of the university. [b]I can't speak for Oberlin but that has been my experience elsewhere.[/b]

The defamation suit is both bad news for Oberlin and good news for common sense. The Oberlin dean quoted should lose her position over this. But she likely won't. There's no sense of responsibility nor honor in higher education these days. It's all pandering to special interest groups and babying the SJWs. [/quote]

I think you are just regurgitating on here what you read in right-wing media. It can’t be from your experience. Oberlin is one of few colleges with a conservatory. There aren’t many colleges or universities you could have experienced similar demographics. [/quote]

Granted, my kid wants a music community in college. So, that has informed his looking. But, he’s likely applying to Rochester (Eastman), CWRU (Cleveland Institute) and Oberlin, with excellent conservatories.  Northwestern has a great one. They aren’t rare.

I believe Oberlin has either a 1/3 or 1/4 of its student body at the conservatory. And a decent number of kids who dual enroll. And they share a campus, unlike at Rochester.

I think the Washington Post makes a good point that Oberlin and Lorrain have town and gown issues. The town is much more conservative than the college, and people who have loved there their who love and are conservative resent all the liberal kids— many of them more affluent and on their way to being more educated than the business owners, taking over the small town.   Oberlin has started Community Relations training the students. Which they should.

But flip in on its head. This bakery makes a lot of its income selling baked goods to Oberlin. And Oberlin is financially supporting most of the downtown.  It’s pretty much the only game in town, financially.   I’m not sure how much an $11 million judgment by conservative town members helps the community in the long term. The college would like to source locally. It’s part of their thing. But, if pushed, I’m sure they will find another bakery to use.

Both sides need to take a beat here and consider the role they played in a shoplifting getting so far out of hand.  It seems like the college is implementing programs. As they should.  But, how much should the town stick it to the libs when they dependent on the libs to get bills paid? Maybe the town has a role to play in patching up town and gown relations too. [/quote]

It was interesting reading the subtle biases creeping out in your post. You went to quite some length to try to deflect as much blame from Oberlin and tried to castigate the town negatively with your comments implying uneducated, conservative (We get it, you think they're MAGA Trump voting idiots).

As someone once said to me, the truth is always very simple and blatantly obvious. It's people who hide from the truth by building barricades of explanations and excuses. Oberlin is populated by faculty and staff and students who are dedicated SJWs. That is their mantra. That is who they are. Not all the faculty or students, but a substantial number of them to justify seeing the college in such a light. These people from Oberlin very rapidly jumped the gun because they were looking to pick a fight and thought they had a good one, a black student arrested in a bakery owned by small minded conservative white people. But the truth is clear: the black student was shoplifting and tried to steal a bottle of wine. The bakery staff stopped him. That is the truth. And what did Oberlin do? Go out of their way to immediately defame the bakery, launch a boycott of it, order suppliers not to work with the bakery, and all of this without investigating properly. And they tried to dig in and stick to their biases when the truth finally did emerge and even the black student himself admitted the arrest wasn't racially motivated.

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They aren’t my biases. The Washington Post arcticle noted Oberlin College went 80% or more Clinton. Lorain split 50/50. Once you separate out all the Oberlin faculty in a pretty small town, you have a conservative town. [/quote]

Wow. Your biases really are something.

You still fail to understand that the issue with your bias isn't so much a liberal college versus a conservative town description. but it's that your liberal, or rather, to be more honest, left wing bias (I'm a liberal but not left wing) is using language to protect Oberlin as much as possible and castigating the town in as bad a light as possible. You are doing this through using certain kinds of words and your use of the term conservative was clearly meant to imply racist, uneducated and the whole host of negative stereotypes the left wing likes to associate with conservatives. That is why it is difficult to take your posts seriously because you are not looking at the matter objectively. Anyone who looks at this objectively knows that Oberlin screwed up big time, because Oberlin students and Oberlin administration fell so hard for their own biases that they jumped to conclusions without any real merit. That is why the case is a disaster for Oberlin because it's technically supposed to be the "better educated" of the parties, a leading LAC with a long and storied history. But instead they showed their true lights, a narrow minded, intolerant and frankly, wholly uneducated - in the real meaning of the word educated - entity. [/quote]

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