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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]Not sleep training[/b]. DS1 is 4 and still has trouble sleeping but DS2 we sleep trained and is a sleeping CHAMP. [/quote]

I’ve noticed the parents who never sleep trained or addressed sleep really late have HORRIBLE sleepers. [/quote]

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I don’t know how people are still so ignorant. We (mostly) all know that the parents who say  “I didn’t have to sleep train my baby and he just started sleeping through the night naturally when he was ready so all babies must behave this way and training is cruel” are completely nuts. But do you realize that those of you who say, “so and so didn’t sleep train like they should have so they have a 4 year old who can’t sleep” are ALSO nuts?! Have you never met an adult who struggles with insomnia or nightmares or restless, light sleep? Do you really think all those people just had weak parents who failed to train them properly as infants?! Just like some people aren’t great runners and others have sensitive stomachs etc. some people aren’t great at falling instantly asleep and sleeping soundly for 8 hours. They were children too. Some people are going to be shitty sleepers no matter how hard you try to train them as babies. You are being rude and ignorant when you make these comments and try to [b]shame other parents or convince new parents that they just need to keep training their baby and magically they’ll sleep great and if they don’t then they’re failing as parents[/b]. [/quote]

It’s easy for us who practice good sleep hygiene to judge.  Every parent I know with a bad sleeper is doing things that cause the lack of sleep.  For example the mom who has a 2 year old and tells me it took her three hours to “get him down.”   What does that even mean?  You do the goodnight routine, turn off the lifts, close the door and leave.  Don’t go back in.  You’ve trained your kid you’ll go back in time and time again.  That’s why it takes 3 hrs for him to fall asleep.  [/quote]

Exactly. My SIL literally cajoles and negotiates with her 3yo fir two hours every night. Leave the room, nitwit! Drop the rope.[/quote]

I am all for sleep training.  I used to be really smug (in my own head) about how well my kid slept.  Once your kid is out of the crib and old enough to open their door, you might be less sure of your sleep training prowess.  My kids are actually both really good sleepers (most of the time), and I like to think that instilling good sleep hygene helped, but you've got to realize that some kids are going to take better to it than others.

But I'll play OP's game: my first time mistake was thinking that if I read enough books I could research the answer to any "problem" (sleeping, toddler behavior, potty training, etc.).  I mean, i still read books, but now I realize there is no magic trick to raising kids.[/quote]

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