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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This attitude seems to cut right to the heart of a very entitled generation. 
The student is a paying customer for dorms and food, yes! The actual [b]education[/b], is NOT a commodity. "I paid 3k for this chemistry class and I still got a D, I should pass because I paid". I am former faulty, and I got so fed up with kids who expected to be spoon fed the answers and information, and won't open their BOOKS . Student: "You didn't tell me this would be on the exam." Me: "Is it in the assigned textbook? Is it in the syllabus?"  Back in MY day, I read the entire assigned text! Imagine that! And if I didn't understand the assigned text, I read another text covering the same material. I went to lectures, and talked to TAs as needed.
I know some people may say "Why go to college if I can just read the book?" The value added is from faculty helping you understand concepts, or correlate the material to other disciplines, from having peers to spark discussions. 
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Sorry, professor. Long gone are the days where a year of college could be paid with some summer job. Undergrad is $28,000-78,000 per year.[b] You Ivory Tower bureaucrats are living high on the hog in your bubble, most of you contribute literally nothing to society and just exist to exploit families. [/b]That's just the truth. College has become a very expensive racket.[/quote]

Not true.  Tenure-track professors in my field start off making 60-80K while being expected to publish prolifically and bring extramural funding to the university from NIH and elsewhere.  Maybe it’s a racket for some higher-ups, but not for most of your kid’s professors.[/quote]

That doesn't count the lifetime benefits most tenured professors get, and tenured salaries are much higher than 60-80k. It is a racket.[/quote]

The average tenured professor salary is $84,470. Weird definition of "much higher," but okay.

Only about 1/4 of faculty positions are tenure-track, and tenure is being phased out.

- https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Tenure_Professor/Salary
- https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/10/12/about-three-quarters-all-faculty-positions-are-tenure-track-according-new-aaup ["About three-quarters of all faculty positions are off the tenure track, according to new AAUP analysis."]
- https://chroniclevitae.com/news/1482-how-hard-is-it-to-get-tenure

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NP. Yes, it's kind of a racket, but definitely not for the professors. Tenure track or otherwise. And yes, students and their families are treating the college experience as a consumer good. [/quote]

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