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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”

Pardon my lack of sympathy for someone's rejection or awkwardness. What an utterly benign problem these incels have. [/quote]

Their lived experience shows that it's not a benign problem. [/quote]

Compared to life or death? Yeah, it's absolutely a ridiculously petty and benign problem. I'll take men laughing at me as a woman all day, every day, for the rest of my life, if it meant I never ever had to worry about my physical wellbeing ever again. [/quote]

Disagree, and I’m a woman. You’re presenting a false choice, a choice none of us will ever face. The real issue is that we can and should tackle multiple issues at once. We can tackle violence (and should tackle it first) but we can also tackle things that make life easier for others, like self-esteem issues for men and for everybody else. You’re basically saying, let’s ignore your measles while we treat your cancer.[/quote]

It's not really a false choice. I know what it's like to be laughed at - and sure, it doesn't feel good. But it's infinitely better than the kinds of safety risks women face pretty much all day, every day, and the choices we are required to make to minimize those risks all the time. And yes--I'll say let's ignore your acne while we treat our cancer. Acne sucks, but the comparison is also asinine. [/quote]

All the stats show that men die by violence [b]from men more frequently than women, are victimized by violence [/b]from men more frequently than women, die by all causes more often than women, live shorter lives than women, are much more likely to go to jail or be a victim of police violence than women [b]because men commit far more crime, are more likely to end up homeless than women, commit suicide more often than women, die and are injured on the job more frequently than women, etc. etc. etc. Maleness as a package is not a low-risk proposition at all. And the self-destructive frustration and isolation these men are stuck in probably contributes to all of that.

There is very little empathy for men in our culture, even if you think men are misguided or troubled there should be room to acknowledge that their issues are very real.[/quote]

There will be more empathy for men when there is more honesty about who is responsible for the violence.[/quote]

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