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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“This is actually tricky -
Admission to Stuyvesant is determined by a single test avail to all middle school students in NYC.There are no soft criteria-no interviews,no legacy favoritism, no strings to be pulled. It’s all abt test score which determines if you can handle academics.”

- Stephanie Ruhle, MSNBC[/quote]

Maggie Haberman, NYT, quoted Ruhle to say:
“White students generally have more means with which to prep for this test, some doing it for years. Yes it’s a test, no it is not an equal playing field.”

I’m not sure why Maggie used white when Asians are the ones dominating this system. [/quote]

The simple truth is that Asian relative overperformance demonstrates that “discrimination” is not a significant driver of outcomes on this sort of test.  It has always been a very inconvenient truth for those who insist all groups are [b]equally talented[/b], generally ignored because of that inconvenience, and because Asians didn’t seem to want to make a big issue out of it.  Now there is a critical mass of Asians who are going to resist getting shafted in the name of diversity.  Will be interesting to see how that all works out.[/quote]

You think it's a level playing field? So it's just pure talent that is being compared by these tests? 
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um yeah.  There are poor and middle class asian kids who are getting in.  That throws out race and SES as an excuse[/quote]

Many of the Chinese kids I knew at Stuy were straight up poor by NYC standards. Their parents worked very menial jobs in Chinatown and Flushing.  Some worked to help support their families, and many took on tons of responsibility at an early age because their parents knew no English.[/quote]

My neighbor is Chinese, she was a doctor in China. She qualifies for the MPDU in MoCo because the US does not recognize her degree and she does not work as a doctor. [/quote]
For every one of those examples, there are more examples of under educated Asian immigrants working low level jobs whose kids do well in school.

Many Asian immigrants see education as a means to get out of poverty for their children (and the rest of the family), so they are heavily invested in their children's education. That's all it is. That's all it comes down to.[/quote]

If the kids getting into Stuy are from gang ridden neighborhoods with lead paint in the walls and parents with mental illness we need to clone them. [/quote]

I know a sibling pair who attended Stuy.

Poor Chinese immigrants raised by a single dad with no education who did menial labor jobs in Chinatown. For a while, he drove a truck making deliveries in Chinatown.

The mother died when the kids were young. When the mom was sick, the kids would have to translate for the doctors and nurses because the parents didn't speak a word of English.

The kids both got scholarships to  college and worked full time in college and are now a doctor and an investment banker.

Stories like this are shockingly common.
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