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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Duke grads tend to be very annoying. Chip on their shoulder about Duke not being an ivy. They love to trash talk Cornell, UPenn and Brown.[/quote]

Those schools are lower ivies. Nobody has a chip on their shoulder about them.[/quote]

Oh please, like Duke has no chip about Penn or Columbia?! They are schools with much better departments overall, bigger names, an ivy league brand, higher endowment and higher desirability (as shown through RD yield). Get real. Maybe they are less insecure towards Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell though. But still these are ivies and Duke is not an ivy.

I know for a fact that Dukies love to trash talk Penn and Columbia. Cant imagine it is that much different for the other non-HYP ivies. [/quote]

Meh. It’s more like Penn students have a perpetual chip on their shoulder - whether it comes to HYPS or to the schools (like Duke) that Penn students wished in vain looked up to them.  Duke may invite ridicule based on the behavior of some of its students at basketball games, but it’s hard to think of any school that screams “bitter try-hards” more than Penn.

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newsflash...every other elite school in insecure towards HYPS, not just Penn. Penn is only insecure towards HYPS, MIT but not any other schools lol. if you really think Penn is remotely insecure towards Duke, you are deeply delusional. Penn bests duke in practically all metrics btw. On the other hand Duke is definitely a bit insecure towards Penn and other ivies precisely because it lacks the ivy league tag. RD yield figures dont lie, Duke is much less desirable than most ivies. [/quote]

Not so. [b] Other schools have something else that gives them a unique identity.[/b]  Dartmouth is a college in a rural part of Vermont.  Columbia is in arguably the best city in the world.  Brown appeals to a student with an artsy sensibility.  Cornell is like an Ivy/Big Ten hybrid and the students are happy there.

But Penn started out like HYP, and in a major city to boot.  And, over time, both the city and the university failed to keep up, and everyone knows it.

Plenty of students turn down Penn for Duke, or apply to Duke but not Penn.  [b]And the Duke students are, by far, a happier bunch[/b].   But Penn students will never be happy because the vast majority really wanted HYP (or S), and they know that their disappointment is transparent to the world.  Nothing will ever make their hurt go away.  Not having Wharton on campus for the grinds, or having Duke, Northwestern, or Chicago to look down on.  They still went to Penn. [/quote]

This is utter bullshit. Penn's unique identity lies in being known as the social ivy, being a pre-professional/liberal arts combo and having wharton. Saying Dukies are happier is just conjecture. Also saying more people at Penn wanted HYPS than at Duke or Columbia is also pure conjecture.  In fact the opposite is true since Penn has Wharton and dual degrees which make Penn a #1 destination over HYPSM for quite a few kids. Other schools don't have that.  [/quote]

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