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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect.  Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

[b]It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to.  [/b]I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope.  But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

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"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.[/quote]

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.[/quote]

The entire Star Wars saga is about redemption. If you can't see any room for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, you don't understand Star Wars at all.[/quote]

One further thought, don't forget that they had talked about how Episode IX was going to be Leia's movie, and it's possible that Leia, and not Rey, was originally intended to be the source of Kylo's redemption. Parent-child relationships are also a prominent theme of Star Wars, and this would flip the Luke/Vader redemption story on its head. But now that Carrie Fisher has passed and there will be no more Leia, the only surviving character with a relationship with Kylo that could possibly lead to his redemption is Rey.[/quote]

How about Kylo saves his own damn self?

I'm not sure why redemption means that he gets the girl.

Let's say Darth Vader didn't die at the end of Return of the Jedi. He's "redeemed" so he doesn't face any consequences? He just gets to be Dad and live in Han and Leia's basement? I don't think so.

Sorry, but a romance between Kylo and Rey is really, really gross.[/quote]

You remember you're talking about a movie, right? This sounds like something you'd be better served to work out in therapy.[/quote]

Ah, I see. The "but actually, you're just crazy" argument.

Lazy.[/quote]

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