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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Penn gamed the rankings - they're the party Ivy. Brown and Dartmouth are much smaller and much more prestigious.[/quote]

Delusional. Penn is a much stronger and more prestigious school than Brown and Dartmouth. Of course it deserves to be ranked higher. Besides, they outperform Brown and Dartmouth in almost every ranking. They can't possibly be gaming every ranking out there. Btw Penn is the social ivy, Dartmouth is the party ivy. [/quote]

Prestige is always subjective. Wharton is certainly extremely prestigious. Beyond that Penn is a fine institution. It's no more nor any less prestigious to the layman on the street than Brown or Dartmouth. There are many who'd think more highly of Brown or Dartmouth because of the theoretically stronger undergraduate focus and a campus environment that is a bit more traditional than the large urban university campus. A graduate school admissions committee or hiring manager isn't going to see that an applicant went to Penn and think him/her more impressive than a similar applicant from Brown or Dartmouth.

The way it works in real life among "those in the know," ie those who have a general awareness of the elite American colleges through family, occupation and education, is that the pecking order is as follows: HYP+Stanford/MIT/Caltech in group one, the rest of the Ivies plus Duke and Chicago in group two, and beyond that it's a bit murkier but the Vanderbilts, WUSTL, Carnegie Mellon, Rice, JHU are in the top of Group 3 along with Berkeley, Michigan, Chapel Hill, UVA, and so forth. They really don't differentiate between colleges within the broad groupings, with one exception and that is I'd even argue that H is in a group unto itself.

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H is only in a group by itself with respect to the arrogance of its graduates. Its reputation for undergraduate teaching is lower than many other schools. [/quote]

Your view is irrelevant simply because H is the most famous school in the world and for all practical purposes, is in a league unto itself based on that prestige. I agree the undergraduate education isn't quite as "good" (for my purposes) than a number of other colleges, but even I won't pretend H is really the one college that makes just about everyone acknowledge it. [/quote]

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