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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]After HYP, i think everything else is both a crap shoot and based on what the kid wants. I would never, for example, think, [b]"Oh, they went to xx Ivy because they didn't get into xx Ivy"[/b]...or if that were the case, I wouldn't interpret it as one being better than the other. It really is such a crap shoot in the decisions process. I would regard all of them as about the same.[/quote]

I would think that when looking at HYP vs the others. Lets be real. Most kids at the other ivies wanted to go to HYP and either applied ED to a lower ivy to maximize their chances so they didn't even apply to HYP or just applied and didn't get in. But I would never think for example that a Brown kid definitely didn't make it to Columbia. [/quote]

I'm the PP with the kid at Columbia. Not every kid wants to go to HYP: my Columbia kid refused to apply to HYP. We did the college trip up I-95 and stopped at Penn, Vassar, Boston College, some more colleges, and of course Columbia. But my DC refused to set up interviews at HYP and when we drove past Princeton and then past New Haven I suggested just "driving through the campuses to get a vibe", but I got a vehement "no" both times. In Boston we ate dinner in Cambridge and didn't walk over to Harvard. Lots of DC's friends felt the same way--that even applying to HYP was pretentious or something. I disagree, but we left the decisions to DC.

Another PP already answered the question addressed to me, about families with multiple Ivy members. I didn't mention the Harvard undergrad and the two Harvard Law grads in my family, but I'll do that now. In my family's case, it's a certain WASPY love of education. One of my grandfathers was a university president after teaching at an Ivy (but note: he died long before he could have helped DC, not that we would have asked). Lots of Classics majors in my family. The British relatives tend to do Cambridge not Oxford, although the youngest generation hasn't gone there so far. So the environment growing up fostered an appreciation for good education.
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PP said "most kids" and he/she was right. Some kids have an urban sensitivity and won't consider Y or P, and some may dislike H's reputation for arrogance or simply believe their admissions odds are too low. But not very many will turn down HYP for C.  I went to an HYP for undergrad and C for grad school and the undergrads at C did not get nearly the same level of attention. [/quote]

And this is how legacy shut out the non whites/recent immigrants....[/quote]

PP here. I agree that the legacy game is bad. But neither this poster nor anybody in my own family used the legacy advantage. The bigger issue is more the whole cornucopia of advantages that come with starting out at a high SES. Like knowing how to navigate the admissions process and where to find help in targeting the essays. And the ability to apply ED.[/quote]

Don't u have to say somewhere in the applications if u had relatives attend the school?[/quote]

Different poster, but my kid refused to apply to either HYP legacy school after getting in to (another) C in the EA round.  So that would be an example of not using legacy advantage.  As well as of preferring other schools to HYP, and of SES privilege....[/quote]

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