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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Idiots.

Next time you go into Giant or Home Depot and you notice that half of the checkout lanes have been replaced with self-serve stations, you will see what a $15 minimum wage looks like in action.

Next time you walk into McDonalds or Starbucks and place your order on an ipad, you will see what a $15 minimum wage looks like in action.

Are people really this stupid?[/quote]

Yes. They are.

They see absolutely zero correlation between cost or employment and prices, or automation and job losses. They see the entire world through the filter of feelings and pity. The people who are the proponents of this are killing the jobs of the people they see themselves as the benefactors and protectors of. So yes, they are that stupid. [/quote]

Can you tell me your proposed alternative solution, then? Because any solution to the issue of people trying to live on minimum-wage jobs - and there are many of them, not just teenagers - will cost money, whether in direct salary costs or less tangible costs. Telling them they simply "should have gone to college" is useless.

Unless you feel they should simply suffer for being born poor, which is the underlying mood of all these threads.

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I can't force you to understand this, if you lack the capacity to. But it suffices to say that no one ever intended a minimum wage job to be what someone "lives" on. It's a minimum. A wage for someone just starting, with absolutely zero skill or prior experience. It's what someone starting the most basic job conceivable make on their very first day, with no experience.  That's what minimum wage is.  [/quote]

I completely grasp this (basic) concept.

Can you in turn grasp the fact that these jobs are increasingly often held by [b]adults[/b] who are trying to support themselves, and possibly children, on insufficient wages, and that that leads to significant costs to society beyond the employer's (or, more likely, stockholders') pocketbook?

That is the problem that an increased minimum wage is attempting to solve. Are there other possible solutions? No doubt. But retraining, schooling, etc., all cost money. Where does that money come from?

It seems that most people who scorn increased minimum wages also scorn any government support that would enable poor people to train for better skills. Instead it's a constant stream of "Well, the poor shouldn't have children. The poor shouldn't buy cars, even in rural areas where there is no public transport. The poor are lazy. The poor are bad." (The poor are going to have children, unless you're proposing whole-scale eugenics.)

I'd like to hear an alternative solution.[/quote]

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