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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If they're a URM, they're a shoo-in, even without great grades.[/quote]

This is wrong.

Harvard admitted 2,056 applicants this year - of those admitted, 14.6 percent were African-American. That's 300 students. 300 African-Americans in the entire US of A were admitted by Harvard last year.

How many of them were recruited athletes? According to the NY Times, HYP admit about 200 recruited athletes over 35 sports each year. Let's guess that 20 percent of those athletes are African-American - that's 40 students. So now we're down to 260 African-American students who were admitted to Harvard last year. How many of them are legacy kids? The Crimson reported that 30 percent of the Class of 2021 were legacy students. If the African-American legacy enrollment rate is even only half that of the entire Class, that would be another 39 kids.

At that point, you're looking at 221 African-Americans admitted who are neither athletes nor legacy. Hardly a shoo-in.

What I have seen, as others have mentioned, is that to get into HYP you have to have impeccable credentials, and then something extra. For African-Americans, that something extra is their URM status - [b]but only if they're in that 4.0, 1550, strong extracurricular category.[/b] For others, that something extra might be a national award, or whatever. And if you have the impeccable everything, but not the something extra, then you end up at Duke or Brown or Penn.

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There might not be 300 URM kids in the US that have those stats.  Only a couple of hundred AA kids each year score above 750 on either section, you would need both above that.  I looked at ACT scores for AA kids a few years back and there were 31 AA kids who scored 35 and above on the ACT.  Good but not great credentials will get an AA kid into an Ivy League school.  [/quote]

There are also many white kids that get into HYP with scores of 32-33.  The only population that would be majority 35 and above is Asian. [/quote]

From Naviance data I can tell you that this is not remotely true. Without a 34+ you don't have a prayer. [/quote]

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