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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]From link above:

"The city council passed the measure on a vote of 4-3. It came after a summer filled with heated debate.

The measure applies to green-card holders, [b]undocumented immigrants[/b] and those with student-visas."[/quote]

If anyone can justify the ridiculousness of this, I will tip my hat to you.[/quote]

They're residents of the town and likely pay taxes as well. They have an interest in governance.  [/quote]

[b]Undocumented immigrants pay taxes?  News to me.[/b]

So they snuck into our country (breaking the law!) and are entitled to legally vote in an election?  I don't consider "they are residents of the town" an appropriate justification.[/quote]

How can the bolded possibly be news to you?  Have you been living under a rock?

Undocumented immigrants pay sales taxes just like you and me.  Since they are frequently lower income than the average DCUM poster, and sales tax is regressive, they pay, on average, a higher percentage of their income in sales tax than you probably do.

Undocumented immigrants live in housing, so they either pay rent, a portion of which goes towards property tax, or they own and pay property tax.   Same as you and me.

Undocumented immigrants pay income tax, but often aren't able to get refunds, so again, they pay at a higher rate than most citizens or green card holders with similar jobs.

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You're stretching with the sales tax argument and the rent/property tax argument. And as far as paying income tax, what percentage of them do - [b]and how, if not for stolen SS numbers[/b]? Plenty of day laborer and under-the-table wages. Why should they get a full vote compared to the honest, law-abiding citizens who pays their FULL share of taxes?[/quote]
Your ignorance is showing.
Have you heard of tax ID number? It's a 9-digit number the IRS give to anyone so it can collect taxes.
Yeah, uncle Sam gets its share of the money but these people will never get anything back in return ( no refund, benefits, etc...)[/quote]
We pay $14,000 per kid to educate their offspring. That's a lot more than they pay in taxes. It's a net gain for them, and a net loss to real Americans.[/quote]

Immigrants pay billions in taxes in Maryland:

"In Maryland, households headed by undocumented immigrants paid $275,172,882 in taxes; which included $75,979,518 in personal income taxes, $22,113,794 in property taxes, and $177,079,570 in sales taxes."

I'm not sure exactly how that measures up to the amount of services they receive, but generally it's understood that immigrants are a net positive on state economies.

https://www.nilc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/MD-2013-Talking-Points-Taxes.pdf

http://www.budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

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OK, any data on how much the ILLEGAL immigrants pay in taxes is meaningless if you don't also include what we spend on them. So, they paid $275 million taxes? According to a 2012 report (I know it's old but we can assume it's only gone UP), illegals cost Maryland $1.7 BILLION. And to put that in context, the state's budget deficit was $2 billion, meaning that illegals count for almost all of it.

https://capitalresearch.org/article/casa-de-maryland-and-the-corrupting-influence-of-illegal-immigration/[/quote]

stupid and racist go hand in hand.

let me explain to you. contributions to the economy are not limited to the taxes you pay. they also come in the form of money immigrants spend in the economy and the labor they contribute, which creates jobs and strengthens the economy for everyone.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-immigrants-letter-20140113-story.html[/quote]
Boom! And out comes the racist card, along with the usual attack of "stupid."

The PP claimed that illegals contribute $275 million in taxes, so naturally the rebuttal to that was in monetary terms, and that's the fsct that they are COSTING $1.7 billion! And when you talk about the other contributions - like spending money in the economy - that still doesn't offset the nearly $2 billion taxpayers are paying for them. They are a net drain on the economy. And what about the schools going bust, crippled over the cost of the illegal immigrant children, and the drop in the quality of the schools because of the poverty and lack of English, and the consequent drop in housing prices? American citizens who have been paying taxes for decades have watched their property value cut in half as a result of this Imflux.

You can twist it around however you want, but a big influx of people with an average education of 10th grade, is not going to be an advantage to our country. You liberals have everything backward, while you live in your upper-middle class neighborhoods and send your kids to private school. That's why you lost. [/quote]

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