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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The double standards between this thread and the one about fatter wives is astounding.  it's ok for a wife to lose interest when he gets big, but not the other way around, got it. [/quote]

Weight looks different on men and women.  Never in the history of time have fat men been idealized [/quote]

Except for most of human history?  I have trouble believing some of you on here ever revived a higher education.  Fat men were often wealthy men for most of history because they were the only ones who could afford to get fat.  Seriously, go look at a museum and see what noble medieval armor looked like (hint it was built for a lot of NFL lineman in mind).  This fat bast@%! literally created a new religion so his new hot plaything could become his trophy wife. [img]http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/henry8petworth.jpg[/img][/quote]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha I don't think you know what the word "idealized" means.  Hint: it doesn't mean universally made fun of, as Henry VII.

I repeat: fat men have never in the history of time been idealized.  Never. [/quote]

"Idealized-Regard or represent as perfect or better than in reality."  According to the OED I think i realize exactly what it means.  Let's ask a simple question.  If you had to go back in time to another life would you rather be woman with all the rights that entailed, a minority who was so well treated in that economic system, a skinny peasant thin and muscular from working his lords crops all the time or would it be a cushier life to be this fat f@#%.  I'm not arguing that fat is attractive today.  I'm not arguing it's healthy to be fat.  I'm 6'3" and 195 so don't think is a personal front.  I do however take an issue with such a blatantly stupid and false statement.  For most of human history fat men were idealized, they set fashion trends ruled lands and countries.  Fat used to be a symbol of power.  Of plenty, abundance etc.  All things we still love today, now it's just supplanted by money.

Henry the VIII wasn't widely made fun of.  He was one of the most powerful monarchs of his time.  Just like this fat dude

[img]https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTMyNzA0NjYzMDk4MTA4NTQ3/louis_xiv_of_france_promojpg.jpg[/img][/quote]

Dude.  He was powerful because he was born as a king.  He was widely ridiculed at the time for his obesity.  For you to say his body was idealized either shows, again, a total lack of knowledge of what the word "idealized" means, or a desperate attempt to skirt the issue.  This is not about did "have all fat men had horrible lives" this is about "what male figure was idealized" and the reality of that is that it has never, ever been fat men.  This is contrast to fat female figures which have been idealized fairly consistently throughout history.

You asked why the double standard exists- that's part of it.  It is what it is.  No amount of sting pictures of Jabba the Hut and claiming because he had a slave his figure is "idealized" is going to convince anyone [/quote]

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