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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]From a business perspective, I can't see how it makes any sense to exclude an entire 50% of the workforce from a single job category.  Your competitors who figure out how to tap into the talent of women are going to have an advantage.  [/quote]
Top CS/engineering programs are overwhelmingly male.  Top companies hiring tech talent would be dumb to not hire the best.  I don't think anyone would look at the top 100 engineers who are lets say 90 male and 10 female and not hire the 10 females.  What doesn't make sense is why would you hire say 10 more females and only 80 males.  Those 10 more qualified/talented males are going to go to a competitor and eat you alive.[/quote]
This attitude 100% explains why people are so threatened by affirmative action for college admissions. The mistaken belief that where you go to school is the only predictor of success in the real world. As a hiring manager in tech, yes, candidates who attended a top program are likely to be stronger than the general applicant pool. But, no, the best candidates did not all go to the best programs. In fact, the best programmer/engineer I ever had the pleasure to work with started off as a diversity hire of sorts. He was a poor, white, male without college role models, who was hired into a coop program by a big engineering firm and worked through his undergrad and masters, which he received from an average public university (not even the flagship conference). I would hire this guy any day, any time. But without that corporate coop program focused on hiring from non-standard pools of candidates, he would never have gotten the opportunity to shine the way he has.[/quote]

I 100% agree with this

The problem is there are two kinds of affirmative action

1.  Finding and seeking out QUALIFIED candidates from unusual/overlooked places

2.  Hiring LESS qualified candidates from underrepresented groups

Do you disagree with point 2?  If you get rid of 2 I think almost everyone would support Affirmative Action 100%

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What about the completely incompetent white guy, who totally oversold his technical skills. He is always around at every company. He has more confidence than skills and would also agree with the google manifesto. Less qualified engineers come in every form but the less qualified white guy is always hired. He is ubiquitous.[/quote]

Don't worry he will get promoted pretty quick haha

Any company worth their salt can sniff these people out and if those people stay good people leave

Don't be afraid to leave bad environments 
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