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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Here is the more complete list that was posted on the other board.  Looks plenty impressive to me in what many TJ students considered a weaker class than the previous class of 2016.

UVA (342 applied, 191 accepted, 65 enrolled) 
William & Mary (192 applied, 142 applied, 37 enrolled) 
Virginia Tech (236 applied, 185 accepted, 44 enrolled) 
Amherst (6 applied, 3 accepted, 1 enrolled) 
Brown (68 applied, 8 accepted, 3 enrolled) 
UC Berkeley (97 applied, 34 accepted, 11 enrolled) 
CalTech (26 applied, 4 accepted, 1 enrolled) 
Carnegie Mellon (140 applied, 36 accepted, 15 enrolled) 
UChicago (67 applied, 12 accepted, 6 enrolled) 
Columbia (90 applied, 9 accepted, 4 enrolled) 
Cornell (157 applied, 25 accepted, 13 enrolled) 
Dartmouth (41 applied, 5 accepted, 1 enrolled) 
Duke (97 applied, 13 accepted, 7 enrolled) 
Georgia Tech (111 applied, 35 accepted, 1 enrolled) 
Georgetown (38 applied, 14 accepted, 6 enrolled)
Harvard (91 applied, 6 accepted, 4 enrolled) 
Johns Hopkins (61 applied, 8 accepted, 3 enrolled) 
MIT (93 applied, 10 accepted, 8 enrolled) 
UMichigan (132 applied, 65 accepted, 17 enrolled) 
UNC Chapel Hill (48 applied, 17 accepted, 1 enrolled) 
UPenn (122 applied, 15 accepted, 6 enrolled) 
Princeton (106 applied, 9 accepted, 6 enrolled) 
Swarthmore (19 applied, 3 accepted, 1 enrolled) 
Stanford (121 applied, 7 accepted, 5 enrolled) 
WashU (50 applied, 8 accepted, 4 enrolled) 
Williams (9 applied, 3 accepted, 1 enrolled) 
Yale (72 applied, 8 accepted, 4 enrolled) 
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Actually, this list does not seem impressive to me when you consider that to just get admitted to TJ, one has to be a potentially ivy caliber middle schooler. Less than half of TJ applicants get into UVA. I'm sure that in 8th grade these kids were regarded as easily being the types of students to get into UVA. Honestly if I had a straight A middle schooler who tests well and is involved in extracurricular activities, I would assume that he would go to the likes of UVA. I would see it as disheartening that less than half of these types of kids get admitted after attending TJ. [/quote]

Correcting the PP.  Not sure where he/she got that less than half get into UVA with the numbers clearly listed above. [b] This year 56% got accepted to UVA which is historically low for TJ.  Usually about 64% get accepted over the last 5 years[/b].  if you are in the top 50% at TJ (though TJ doesn't formally rank but the kids and schools know where they stand by their weighted GPAs), you have about an 80% chance of getting in.  UVA was a near safety school for my S and a his close friends who all got in.  Most of them including my S chose not to attend UVA in the end and enrolled at some of the other schools listed above.  [/quote]

Ok, but a 64% acceptance rate is still not impressive considering that in 8th grade this group consisted of the highest achievers in their schools.  It shows that something about TJ attendance, whether it be not ending up in the top half due to stiff competition, harder to stand out in extracurriculars among peers, UVA wanting to limit the # of admittances from the same school, or perhaps something else, seems to be causing kids who in 8th grade would probably be considered shoo- ins for UVA to not get admitted. [/quote]

Many of the top TJ students ~top 20% do not apply to UVA. My kid (in top 10%) and many of his friends did not bother applying to UVA since they were not interested in UVA.[/quote]

Totally bogus.  When my kids graduated, all of his friends applied to UVA as a safety school.[/quote]

There is truth in both above statements but most parents don't realize how much more difficult it is to get into top schools (including state flagships like UVA) than it was even 5 years ago.

Most of the top kids (at least in 2016 when my first S graduated) applied to UVA as a safety school.  Over 75% of TJ seniors applied to UVA.  However, he knew top students who had no desire to go to UVA and didn't apply.  I'm sure there are kids like that in every class at TJ.  There is no disputing the fact that the trend of % accepted has slowly been creeping downward over the last 10 years as the sheer number of applications to UVA soar.  It isn't just TJ that is being affected but all area HSs so this shouldn't be seen as a knock on TJ rather an indication of how difficult college admissions has gotten for the top colleges.

In 2016, UVA rec'd roughly 32,000 applications while in 2017 UVA rec'd over 36,000 roughly a 12.5% jump in ONE year!  Source: http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/  All the Ivys but one (Dartmouth) received a record number of applications and even Dartmouth's yield was the highest since the 1960s so their freshman class size is a record.  Top SLACs like Amherst and Williams are all reporting record number of applications.  Amherst went from a little over 8000 in 2016 to over 9000 applications this year for a target class size of 470.  It certainly will be tougher for my current rising senior.[/quote]

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