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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those of you saying he was drunk so he should be excused, how many of you have raped another human while drunk? I'm gonna guess NONE. [/quote]

Some of the PPs may be saying that.  I'm saying he may have thought he was having (unromantic) consensual sex with a stranger met a party.

The fact that he said he was not guilty and is appealing makes him look unremorseful.  Or that he believes that he is innocent.  He's not, because by definition any sex with a drunk girl is rape.  [/quote]

[b]Its still trivializing what he did to suggest it was rape by definition or that he had anything to be confused about. She was passed out behind a dumpster. Anyone who attempted to think about the question even slightly would come to the conclusion that most women do not in fact want to be fingered while unconscious behind a dumpster.

There are some legitimately hard questions about consent. (For example, what sort of consent is needed for someone in a long term loving relationship to initiate sex in the morning with their then-still-sleeping romatic partner?) Fingering an unconscious woman who just fell over behind a dumpster is not a tough case, and its sad we pretend it is.[/b][/quote]

All of this. [/quote]

+1. This is the bottom line. [/quote]

Emily Doe was, by all indications, a full grown woman with a full time job and a serious boyfriend - who chose to attend a college drinking party with her little sister.  Emily Doe wound up drinking A LOT without realizing that her tolerance level had gone down from her previous "party animal" days at school.  She got a lot drunker than she intended to get and wound up hooking up and leaving a party with a 19 year old college guy which was probably not a noble thing to do on her part.  The guy was only 19.

Regardless, she did not deserve to have her passed out body violated like that even if she was passed out behind a dumpster.  And that guy should be held, and is being held, criminally responsible for what he did to her.  [/quote]

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