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[quote=Anonymous][quote]        It's not some public place - it's the Phi Psi house, so yes, they are responsible for what goes down there. Back when I was at UVa, they barely even let guys into frat parties unless someone put your name on a list. They had bouncers at the door, and they usually had guys inside guarding the stairs - no one could go upstairs unless it was a brother. They were more likely just looking out for their personal belongings since the brothers live at the house, but I hope they were keeping an eye out for all kinds of trouble. The brothers there are at least guilty of looking the other way.

When were you at UVA?

I'm the original "here's the thing" poster. I agree with 19:52--that's what it was like when I was at UVA in the 80s. My assumption was not that they were keeping an eye out for trouble--it was that they didn't want outsiders in on what was going on upstairs. No problem going upstairs if you were a woman who was attractive, drunk, or preferably both.

The victim here said she was taken upstairs by a brother, and that one of the guys who didn't want to go through with it was told by one of the watching (non-participating) guys that he had to, they had all done it. That's not outsiders. That's brothers and pledges. Sounds like a pledge rite of passage. If true, that makes the fraternity guilty of rape.

I was there in the late 90s and it was the same then as well.

Holy crap. Well, you could have saved Jackie a lot of trouble if you spoke up about that in the late 90s. How about reporting what you know now to UVA and the police? There's no statute of limitations, so be a good citizen and go report it. [/quote]

I'd love to.  But I doubt the police are going to be able to do much with the fact that some brothers of a house I can't remember wouldn't let me upstairs in 1984.  [/quote]

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