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The sura Ash Shura means "consultation" and the verses she quoted are evidence that women had political say, they had the right to offer their oath of allegiance to rulers if they wanted and this was independent of their father or husband making an oath.

You said this oath of allegiance is different from voting. Not necessarily. Ash Shura, the Sura in the Quran, states those who believe in Allah will rely on consultations for deciding any matter that requires a collective opinion. This hints at the importance of democratic decisions. The language does not only refer to males, either. This requirement to come to a decision collectively applies to men and women. This is powerful evidence that women were not excluded from political decision making. Their opinion counted too.[/quote]

The particular verse she brought does not refer to voting.  Just because you say "not necessarily", it doesn't make it so. Yes, the Quran "hints" at the importance of collective decision.  That's a very, very far cry from "Islam gave voting rights to women 1400 years ago."  It requires a hug leap of faith to say so.  But I guess leaping comes naturally to people with faith in something.  That's like saying "Islam gave women property rights" when there is absolutely no evidence women did not have these rights prior to its advent.

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You asked why muslim countries took so long to give Muslim women voting rights. Its a logical question and has a simple answer that any intelligent person should be able to deduce. After the Prophet died, the condition and treatment of women deteriorated, and slowly returned to pre-Islamic times. Muslima tried to explain to you, numerous times, that Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries do not fairly reflect Islamic practice. Your misunderstanding of Islam stems basically from your inability to distinguish Islamic faith from Muslim practice. [/quote]
None of Muslim rulers immediately following Muhammad were chosen democratically.  It didn't take quite as long as you said.  To be fair, men didn't have much input into these decisions either.  Saudi Arabia may not reflect Islamic practice (actually it does reflect Islamic practice if not Islamic letter) but it's not like OTHER Muslim countries rushed to offer suffrage to women (or men).

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Now you want Muslima to be banned from DCUM when you have done nothing but engaged in a modern day, online lynching of her? You follow her from thread to thread. One member of your racist group told her to go back to her country. Yet, you want HER banned?[/quote]

I'm not the poster who wanted her banned. I think she should stay because she's entertaining.

[quote=Anonymous]
You represent the ugly, disgusting, loathsome minority with your hatred of Islam and vendetta against religious Muslims. Very few people have come to your defense because your exposed yourself to be a promoter of hate. On the other hand, the reason more people have not come to Muslima's defense is because they recognize you may have a psychiatric disorder and explaining anything to you is pointless when you are on a one-woman-atheist-Islam-hating-racist mission. 
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That's you getting crazy again.  What do other people have to fear online?

You and Muslima have a problem of not being able to accept that someone finds your arguments lacking and your evidence subpar.  You think that because it makes sense to you, it simply MUST make sense to everyone else.  But that's not the case.  You may very well be pleased with the rights Islam affords to women.  That doesn't mean everyone will agree with you, nor does it mean that other people don't have better deals. You will be well advised to leave it there instead of taking all criticism of Islamic package as personal attacks. Islam is like any other philosophy. It has lovely bits and less than lovely bits.  You chose to focus, weirdly, on the bits that are less likely to appeal to the Western audience.  You could have picked any number of Islamic laws that are unassailable in their wisdom, and used them as a reason you love your religion.  Why choose the questionable ones? Shrug.

No one here hates Islam or has a vendetta against anyone.  Most people here were indifferent to Islam before you posted, and will remain just as indifferent toward it long after this thread sinks into oblivion. You will never meet anyone from DCUM in real life. It's stupid to have any emotion whatsoever to what amounts to an online character - which everyone of us here is.

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