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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yale committee concludes that colleges and universities have completely lost the plot:

“High costs, murky admissions practices, uneven academic standards and fears about free speech on campuses, the committee said, are among the reasons for widening discontent over higher education’s worthiness.

The findings reflect misgivings that Americans have described across years of polling and interviews. But the report, from a 10-professor panel at one of the nation’s most renowned universities, amounts to a damning depiction of academia’s role in cultivating the political and cultural forces that are reshaping higher education’s place in American life.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/15/us/yale-report-colleges-unversities-trust.html?unlocked_article_code=1.bVA._ebw.-PVgolGZ4r5r&smid=url-share[/quote]

The Yale committee is not wrong. $100,000 per year is ridiculous. [b]The preference for athletes, FGLI, rich kids, faculty kids, connected kids, and soft racial preferences undermines any school's credibility[/b]. Having to be wary of whether you are for Trump or for Palestinians does undermine free speech and makes a campus stifling. And when people realize there are like three spots available at a school like Yale for a standard valedictorian from Des Moines or, alternatively, the suburbs of DC, NY, and SF, it's not surprising people are a little cynical of schools like Yale. Yet, despite abandoning any illusions of a meritocracy, the Yale grad has all sorts of opportunities that other graduates don't.

And this isn't exclusive to Yale. Anyone who has gone through the process of applying to top 20 schools knows how much BS is involved. Good for Yale for pointing it out.    [/quote]

Nonsense, it never has and never will. The credibility issues were about woke gone too far, nothing else.[/quote]

DP. Disagree. The credibility issues were also about opacity, behavior inconsistent with mission, and confusion about the mission itself.

When people have no idea what your admission standards are, how much they’ll pay, what behavior is tolerated, or your guiding intellectual or academic principles are, you’re going to have a problem.

Yale Committee nailed it.[/quote]

No they aren't. Such things were mentioned in the spirit of full coverage but it all boils down to "woke" and preferences for blacks and Hispanics.

Admissions opacity is driven by the number of kids applying and that the vast majority look basically the same. The UMC public consistently forgets how large this country is and that their HS "standout" has one or more doppelgangers in each of the 27,000 or so high schools acrioss the country. Their kid is excellent but by no means as unique as they believe. [/quote]

Cut and paste the part of the report where you're reading this please.  That may be your opinion, but that's not what was discussed in this report.   The admissions section was about wealth, not woke.[/quote]

We’re talking about two different things. Yale doesn’t care about what you are fussing over. They never have and never will. Note that Stanford gave up CA money rather than give up legacy admissions bumps.

The report was commissioned by a new president to signal to the clowns in the current administration that they heard them. The clowns in the new administration care about hurting blacks and Hispanics. They probably consider dropping Legacy as hurting white people.

The report only mentions ‘reducing’ the impacts of preferences in ALDC areas, not eliminating them. You will see a test required and academic floor announcement with a base somewhere below the current 25% level along with an out for ‘extenuating circumstances’. That might keep a few football linemen out but that is about as far as things will go.

Nobody at Yale has any real incentive or interest in any changes except those which get the current administration off of their backs. Those changes likely aren’t what you are hoping for but nobody at Yale cares what you want and there are no real incentives making the changes that you want. Sorry if that hurts.[/quote]

You are the one fussing about woke.   The report wasn't really fussing about it and you're right yale is not fussing about it either.   Spend some time there and you'll stop worrying about woke.  That was just a whole lot of Fox News garbage all around.

If the report was trying to appease the administration they could have done a better job.  But obviously they have figured out how to appease the administration,  because they are left alone relative to other ivies.[/quote]

I have read the entire report. The report says nothing significant and that is why it was designed to do. It commits to nothing significant and nothing significant will be done. The report is the document containing the vague “recommendations” which will be used to appease the administration.

Regarding pricing, the basically said the model is the right model but the public is too stupid to understand it.

Regarding preferences, nothing will change. There may be a few years of slight lower legacy admits but that is it. They will not reduce athletic recruiting because they want to compete with the other Ivy League teams. The other stuff is noise.

For admissions they basically said that [b]they will go back to testing[/b] and put in a floor. As I said previously the floor will still be relatively low compared to what you wish because realists kid with a 1400 can succeed anywhere. That may eliminate a very few athletic recruits who will just be replaced with other recruits with slightly better academics….no effective change. Applications will drop with test required but it will remain single digit.

Nobody cares about your cost frustrations, your admissions opacity frustrations, or your legacy frustrations. And this report proves that nobody cares.

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This was the entire point of the study.  To justify returning to testing in the face of all the anti-racists saying that objective tests are racist.[/quote]

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