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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am just chuckling at all the Vanilla crowd saying it's just smut. Um, maybe tune out from Bridgerton. Or are we only offended when the leads are gay?[/quote]

FWIW, I think this and Bridgerton are exactly the same - a smutty romance targeted at a largely female audience with no deep meaning behind it despite trying to throw in a little for respectability (racial stuff for Bridgerton, homophobia issues for HR.)

Neither is much my thing but there is nothing wrong with them. But all the “it is so deep it might as well be the second coming of Shakespeare!” posts here and elsewhere crack me up. It’s not. You don’t need to justify with how intellectual and meaningful and this and that it is to allow yourself to enjoy it. It’s OK to like a trashy, romancy bit of fun and admit this is what that is.[/quote]

To me, the books read like that, but not the show. It feels deeper and makes audiences emotionally invested because of the incredible acting and all the little details that were changed and added in the TV adaptation.

One of the characters struggles with a language barrier and the other is on the spectrum, so verbal communication is not their forte, but the viewer is able to discern their feelings of love, longing, worry, frustration, hope, hurt etc. because of how well the actors portray them with their micro expressions, body language, and choice of specific words and inflection in he dialogue. I forget that I am watching TV; it feels like I am intruding on someone’s private relationship.

Add to that the really hot sex scenes and fresh beautiful faces (and bodies, lol), and you get a global streaming phenomenon. 
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[b]He is not on the spectrum![/b] That is something the fans made up and then the actor rolled with it. The author siad that no, she didn't write him as autistic but she was fine with people understanding her characters in whatever way made sense to them.

They are good actors but people are insane in how deeply invested they have become in this show and the people involved. That level of investment is so unhealthy. I feel for the actors. Instead of being able to appreciate a successful work of art, they are needing to deal with insanity, their families nad partners getting death threats, and people over relating to them and not even realizing that the show is FICTION, it is FICTION. This isn't a love story between Connor and Hudson. I kind of despair for humanity when I read posts about this show. It is too bad people can't just appreciate it and enjoy it for what it is. Should just be a nice fun well acted fictional positive distraction from the mess of the world - but instead like everything people have to take it too far and turn it into something it isn't.

I wonder if the actors will even want to do a season 2. Realizing how insane people are and the many to distinguish between real life and fiction and seeing how doing this has harmed the people they care about in real life - it would be brave to go through with another season. Probably contractually obligated but it is a scary world - fanbase of this show included. [/quote]

+1000

He is very much in tune with his parents' emotions (when they're discussing Wimbledon or something at the restaurant), he makes direct eye contact with just about everyone, etc. He is not autistic. He's a bit OCD and has anxiety, but those aren't the same things. [/quote]

It is unfortunate that any nervousness, social awkwardness, not being a strong verbal communicator is being interpreted as autism. Being awkward and anxious are normal human states! A lot of people manage anxiety with routines. People saying he has autism definitely haven't read the DSM or looked at actual diagnostic criteria. He appears to have no difficulty functioning on a team (appointed captain), independently, in social settings, in relationships etc. What support does he need to manage life?[/quote]

So many of the comments in this thread that mention autism are based on outdated stereotypes and just wrong.

Not everyone with autism is overtly socially awkward.

Many people with autism can make eye contact, function in teams, have friends, lovers and deep social relationships, and also be coordinated enough to play sports like hockey. Some of that may come at a cost (e.g. prolonged eye contact may be uncomfortable for some - not all! - autistic individuals). It's a very wide spectrum.[/quote]

He has TiKTok autism, where anyone and everyone can have autism if they want it. But in reality it requires a clinical assessment and meeting diagnostic criteria. Even the highest level of functioning Level 1 - requires clinically significant impairments in functioning that require support.

Shane appears to have zero functional deficits. He can play a fast paced sport where teamwork and nonverbal communication are vital, where plays change second by second, where often you mess up or others mess up and you have to immediately reset while being yelled at, where there is a ton of noise and people jumping on you or pushing you into the boards, where you have moments of major frustration but have to just move past it. Where nothing is predictable and you have to be prepared for whatever the other 11 people on the ice might do.

He also has no difficulty meeting and immediately starting to date an A  list movie star, no issues with paparazzi, press conferences, making and maintaining long term friendships.

He can travel and stay in all different hotels all over the country, deal with a gruelling hockey schedule, different beds, different time zones, etc.

He can communicate and express himself and show emotion and tease and joke and respond flexibly to the situation without issue, adapting quickly. He has no problems with frustration tolerance or transitions.

For all the people who insist he is the poster boy for autism…if that is the case we really need to stop providing accommodations and move money and research to other conditions that do have functional impairments.

If autism really just means that occasionally you feel a little anxious or overwhelmed for a moment and but manage it fine and you have no functional issues at all…then yeah, I am definitely no longer going to support accommodations for it. Thats just scamming the system.

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BUT BUT BUT he always orders a Ginger Ale!

Seriously, that was someone's explanation for his autistic tendencies. I agree with you, PP. [/quote]

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