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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Lots of blah blah blah about semantics and minor nuances of weapon functionality in these last two pages.  But no action.

That's unacceptable.

One mass shooting is too many mass shootings.

We need action, not words.

If you don't want confiscation and you want to preserve 2A that's all fine and good but you still need to come up with a proposal that will make America safer, because without one you are failing America and you are standing in the way of people who want America to be safer.

So what's your proposal?  (Hint: "the existing laws" clearly aren't working.)[/quote]

What's your alternative to "existing laws"?  Confiscation?  The Second Amendment exists to prevent this very activity.

Any proposal requires an honest, clear-eyed view of the root cause of mass shootings.  But let's not stop there.  How about we look at the root cause of shootings in general?  (Hint: It's not the availability of guns - just ask the Swiss and other countries that have relatively high gun ownership rates).[/quote]

What’s the root cause? And what’s the solution?[/quote]

The root cause is behavior, not whether tools or technology are misused.  Endless varieties of crime occur using endless tools or technology, or just exploiting human physical weakness or gullibility.  Identify and neutralize bad behavior.  [/quote]

So you want to regulate the behavior of gun owners? Psych profiles, extensive background checks, etc? Makes sense. [/quote]

DP.  Actually, the PP likely wants you to acknowledge that the people who commit mass shootings are crazy - and to tell the public why - without downplaying or omitting inconvenient facts.  Hiding the motivations of mass shooters helps no one.[/quote]

Ahhh...  So the answer is we need to [i]acknowledge[/i] them.  So whenever there's a mass shooting we just shrug, say "oh they were crazy," and accept the loss of another dozen dead kids or churchgoers or shoppers or wherever else in a place where people congregate as totally acceptable collateral damage, and go on about our lives.  Not bothering to make sure that other crazy people don't also get guns and commit mass shootings.  Because, where it comes to "we don't have a gun problem, we have a mental health problem" we're gonna refuse to have red flag laws because, "hey, what if they think [i]I'm[/i] crazy and come to take away my paranoid zombie armageddon stockpile of AR-15s and ammo" and also refuse to do anything about treating the mental health problem, because paying for someone else with [i]my[/i] taxpayer dollars makes it "communism" or something, right?

Do I have that all captured correctly? Because I don't think I've heard anything different or better in terms of proposals from the pro-2A posters in this thread.[/quote]

They were crazy before they committed a crime.  Nothing was done about it, because we prefer to leave the crazies alone.  That's the problem.  People who are neither insane nor criminals are not the problem, and regulating their behavior further accomplishes nothing useful.  [/quote]

Well, they actually are the problem - because people who allegedly aren't criminals and allegedly aren't crazy are the ones who keep funneling guns to the criminals and crazies.   So ONLY focusing on the crazies isn't going to solve it.  We need significantly greater accountability.

I would mandate that EVERY gun transfer needs to be registered, and to go into a persistent, searchable database.  I would mandate a requirement that guns be locked up when not in one's immediate possession.  A persistent, searchable database would quickly reveal who the bad actors are.  If someone has bought 200 guns in the last 10 years then law enforcement should be able to expect to show up at their home and have all 200 guns produced and shown to them as evidence they didn't do anything wrong with them.  If not, they need to be investigated and prosecuted as being a gun runner and/or accomplice to other gun crimes.

In fact I'd mandate we treat guns the way we do cars.  Require training and passing a safety test before being allowed to handle or own guns.  Have health requirements - not only do I not want crazy people owning guns, I don't want people with blindness or other impairments that would interfere with their ability to safely handle and use a gun to be owning and handling guns.  I would also require registration as noted above, and as with vehicles, require periodic inspection.  If you bought shotguns I want to see proof that you haven't sawed them off or otherwise illegally modified them.  If you bought an arsenal of ARs and handguns I want you to be able to present and account for every single one of them.  If a gun was stolen or lost, you need to report it immediately.  If you have a questionable history of "losing" gun after gun after gun then you should be flagged as either a straw buyer who is illegally buying guns for others, or if you actually lost them you should be flagged as too irresponsible to have guns.  There should also be insurance requirements that you pay in to that will cover the expenses of every gun mishap nationally.[/quote]

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