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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's interesting that people think the Marine should know the "necessary" amount of time to choke someone and would know what amount is "more than necessary."  Perhaps I don't have as much experience choking people as the former prosecutor has, where he can be precise when he finds himself needing to subdue someone. You know, one of those everyday situations where you fear for your life and have to choke someone for just the right amount of time to make them pass out but not die.  [/quote]
Anyone who took fifth grade level biology knows that a human can’t live without food for three weeks, water for three days, and air for three minutes. If he maintained the chokehold for between seven and fifteen minutes as some witnesses have reported, that is beyond excessive.[/quote]

He put him in a submission hold, not a chokehold. The photos clearly show he's using a triangle hold, not a bar hold. This means that it is very unlikely the airways were compressed, but they were restricted. I'm pointing out that unless you go around doing this regularly, a cop or a pro wrestler, you probably don't have enough experience to know precisely when you've gotten the person to the point that they won't get up and attack you, but also won't die. A marine wouldn't have that knowledge and neither would a former prosecutor unless you go around choking people often.

Finally, if the New York subway is being terrorized by bloodthirsty mobs of office workers who randomly kill, and cheer the killing of, homeless people who are begging for food, wouldn't the answer ALSO be that we are a failed state in terms of protection from criminals?  There is no way to interpret this and similar cases as an endorsement for the status quo.  [/quote]

Thanks for pointing this out. People have been saying that a chokehold will make someone unconscious within seconds, but that’s clearly not the kind of force that was being used here. I’m reserving judgment until all facts are known.[/quote]

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