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[quote=Anonymous][quote=RantingAtheist][quote=Anonymous]I guess it was not clear in the last post that [b]I am a Christian[/b].  I just think the earlier attack on Dawkins and atheism is nonsense. [/quote]

Just want to say, given your comments, and the contrast between yours and other self-described Christians on DCUM, you may be the only one here. Quick! Register as "TheDCUMChristian" while it's still available!

:wink: [/quote]

Imagine the two of us on the same side of an argument.  Dogs and cats living together!

Well, I have my beliefs and you have yours.  But honestly it pisses me off when people misrepresent a belief system.  The earlier posters quote a snippet of Dawkins and distort it in a way clearly opposite of the text they lifted it from in the same way that one might lift a passage from the Koran to prove that Muslims are evil.  And this whole issue of Mitt Romney not qualifying as a real Christian gets me, not that I'm even Republican.  I guess it all started when someone asked me if I was a Christian and I said "yes, I'm Catholic" and they asked me if I was "born again".  I said "yes, I was baptized and confirmed" and they proceeded to explain why I was not yet saved.

While I have your attention, I do think they have a point, which is that atheists often mock the notion of faith.  I think that there is enough data on humans to recognize that all of us make decisions based on factors other than reason.  In fact, there may be data to suggest that free will itself is an illusion, therefore making moot any judgment about what is relevant in defining beliefs at all (the fields of biology, and also cosmology). Even an atheist can appreciate that, not that we shouldn't try hard to form good beliefs.  Yes, they bring it on themselves by trying to prove God through reason, especially when they are not particularly well versed in the ground already covered by the philosophers.  But it's OK for people to be at a different point in the discovery process.  Everyone starts from scratch and has to work through these ideas as though they are new.

So I suggest that as long as theists approach proof of God with some humility, that atheists should counter in a respectful way.  That way we all grow.

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