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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]These lists have barely changed in the last 25 years.... it's always the general same spots. You get the occasional change up and down like Yale sometimes being 1 to being 5 this year but everyone knows it's meaningless. [/quote]

Berkeley was Top 5 in the 80s.  Talk about a drop.   [/quote]

Back in the ‘80s peer review was the only criterion that really mattered.  Berkeley is easily still among the finest academic institutions on earth. That hasn’t changed at all. [/quote]

Berkeley must have spent much less money on marketing, artificially driving down admission rates and bolstering their rankings. [/quote]

Berkeley has the luxury of being a state university. It’s gonna be funded no matter what. Someone decided along the way that Berkeley as a state university doesn’t have to have #1 engineering school, #1 law school, #1 this,  and #1 that. It’s the same principle with Cal State University. They are not for the elite student of the nation. That’s what the ivies, MIT, CalTech, UC Berkeley, and UCLA are for. Cal State exists to cater to those who are shut out by the top, middle, and even the lower tier universities. They exist to serve the public, the working class, and the immigrant population. They never cared about being the elite #1. [/quote]

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