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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][list][quote=Anonymous]ok so your kid knows one smart athlete. when you get to a top college it is striking how different the academic strengths are of the athletes vs the non athlete. [/quote]

I was an athlete in college and its always amusing to me that some people feel the need to put young people in categories.

If you are an Olympic swimmer ... OK cool, but the law of nature is assumed to be that that's all you got and you are - aside from that an idiot.

To the contrary, what is born out is that being a really good athlete takes more than talent. It requires a great deal of perseverance, determination, high pain threshold and enough of an imagination to dream big... then never give up.

In other words, after 3 hours a day of that for 4-6 years since age 13, AP Physics might just be a walk in the park. Especially, if Dad was a science geek.[/quote]

I was an Ivy league athlete. While there were exceptions, my teammates were nowhere near as intellectual, well educated or thoughtful as my friends who weren't on the team. Some teams had a higher level of academics (mens crew, most womens sports), but the men's teams, gimme a break...[/quote]
 when was this, 1990? I think things have changed a bit in Ivy admissions since you attended...[/quote]

Not according to the Harvard data.

The issue isn't whether athletic recruits are minimally qualified academically for Harvard, it's whether they are equally academically qualified compared to non-athletes, such as musicians who have practiced 3 hours day for many years.  In most cases, as a group, athletes had inferior academic qualifications.  It doesn't mean they aren't intelligent on an absolute basis, though.[/quote]
So if it’s a difference if a very talented athlete with a 1470 SAT and 3.9 GPA(with difficult coursework in HS), vs yet another non athlete 4.3 and 1565 SAT applicant, they want some variety of skills and personality. Doesn’t mean the athlete isn’t very bright and highly able. If you are talking a 1250 SAT and 3.1 GPA student athlete taking a spot at Harvard because of athletic ability that would be different and not fair IMO. [/quote]

That’s the questions, isn’t it?  We just don’t know. But this gives some insight. https://public.econ.duke.edu/~psarcidi/legacyathlete.pdf

“ The advantages for athletes are especially large, with an average admit rate for recruited athletes of 86%. This high admit rate occurs despite admitted athletes often being worse on Harvard’s ratings than the applicant pool itself.  Overall, our results show that only one quarter of white ALDC admits would have been admitted if they had been treated as a typical applicant.”[/quote]

I'd like to see the research on the back end, that shows how well the recruited athletes achieve once in college and after college when compared to their peers (both from HS level and college level).[/quote]

when you don't like the answer, just change the question, I see. [/quote]

This will of course continue until there is no data, or until the data is sufficiently noisy to lead to no clear conclusion.

It's not a mystery people.  The discrepancy between admitted athlete academic quality and other is so shockingly large that the admitted athletes are worse on average than the applicant pool (for all groups except Hispanics, for whatever reason).  Not worse than the other admits, but worse than the pool of people who *applied*.  Easy to let that detail slip by.  So yes you could in theory argue that there is some magical characteristic that the athletes have that leads to better college and post-college success, and I'm sure we can all point to anecdotes, but the numbers here are just overwhelming.

Ok I lost track.  What was the original point of this thread?[/quote]

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