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jsteele wrote:
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And if that takes another six months?

If it takes another six months then I suggest that you vote for Biden due to Trump's inability to manage the epidemic better because it should not take another six months.

I don't know what you want me to say. I think I have explained this very clearly. I do not think we can safely reopen the economy now. I think the loudest voices to reopen are not the ones who will be taking the risks and that they are putting their financial interests ahead of the health of others. I am arguing that the health risks of reopening be decreased to the point that those calling for reopening are comfortable accepting that risk for themselves and their families. I don't think that is an unreasonable position or one that is hard to understand.

Jeff I have not responded to this assertion because I don't think it matters, I would hope that most of us would be able to put aside how the shutdown personally affects us with how it affects society at large. But since you seem to think that those of us who are in favor of reopening would not be taking "risks" and putting their financial interests first I will respond. I am a teacher (check all my previous posts if you don't believe me) and my husband is a fed. My personal financial situation isn't at all being impacted by this (yet - eventually we will all be affected) And yes, if things reopened I would have to return to work, which in your mind would be risking my health. On a personal level, I am loving the shutdown. My husband likes working from home, and to be completely honest I am in no hurry to head back to school. Yet I am very much in favor of things reopening asap, because I don't want to see society destroyed simply so my husband and I can keep working from home.

Lady we are ALL worried about the economy. Why don't you save your concern for asking about why we don't have PPE for our essential workers? Why we have no coherent plan to test, trace, and isolate? Those are the things we would need to re-open safely. It's not a mystery, and yet there is NO PLAN.

But we can reopen now, if we are willing to accept more fatalities. It's not unreasonable to think the % of fatalities from Coronavirus doesn't warrant the economic damage. Obviously not everyone agrees, but again it's not unreasonable to think that the cure that you are proposing is worse than the disease.[/quote]

Okay, we can open up and accept fatalities. More specifics to the plan need to be discussed however before we do it. One is that given 15% of people end up at the hospital and overwhelm hospitals, would we just forgo the hospital part so that the hospitals could also get back to normal doing surgeries that are backed up, etc. because they have stopped doing many things in order to deal with COVID-19? Could we just allow people to die at home from COVID-19 and not tax the EMTs (who are also put at incredible risk)? If this increased the risk of death from COVID from 2% to say 5-10%, would that be acceptable? At what point in your calculus do the deaths  become more important than the economy? Those are important parts of the plan that need to be nailed down.

Also, if teachers get COVID-19 (even if kids do not), at what point does a school shut down if a case is positive? Do we wait for 10% of the staff to be infected? What will the substitute teacher situation be like? Will they come in to cover for the sick or quarantined teachers? What about the administrative staff? Schools are extremely dynamic places with people in and out all day. I really doubt that they will stay open long once this happens. Will we reopen and then end up shutting down again (causing even more illness to spread)? 
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