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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]^^Cite please for the pope saying that![/quote]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/world/europe/pope-francis-abortion-priests.html?_r=0

While firmly restating his opposition to abortion as “a grave sin, since it puts an end to an innocent life,” the pope affirmed that [b]“there is no sin that God’s mercy cannot reach and wipe away when it finds a repentant heart seeking to be reconciled with the Father.” [/b]The document, an apostolic letter, was signed on Sunday after a Mass denoting the end of the jubilee year. It was made public on Monday. 
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Under canon law, [b]abortion[/b] brings automatic excommunication unless the person receiving or performing it confesses and receives absolution. Abortion is considered a “reserved sin,” meaning that permission to grant forgiveness usually must come from a bishop.

Thus, abortion itself brings about excommunication UNLESS absolution is given.  Support for abortion does not.[/quote]

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total bullshit. not a single woman has ever been excommunicated for abortion. plus "automatic excommunication" is a lot more complicated than it sounds - there are many exceptions and it is not really automatic. plus, the original assertion was that political *belief* about abortion leads to excommunication, which is definitely not true at all.  and in any event "excommunication" does not mean you are not catholic - it means you can't take communion until you are reconciled, but you still have to go to mass. finally, you are a shitty, shitty catholic if you are going around trying to alienate ppl from the church because you disagree with them politically. [/quote]

I agree.  And I think the link supports that.  If they are contrite, an abortion can be forgiven.  And automatic excommunication is not a easy as it sounds. But, the original poster seeking cite, I believe, said that supporting abortion results in automatic excommunication. That is plainly false.[/quote]

of course abortion can be forgiven. murdering an actual born person can be forgiven. but murdering a person seems somehow more forgiveable to some catholics because it does not have the nexus with sexuality. [/quote]

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