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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]4,000 embryos destroyed as Israel bombed a fertility clinic in Gaza

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/4000-ivf-embryos-destroyed-1-shelling-gazas-largest/story?id=109350404

"Najwa came to our center in 2022. She had lost her 19-year-old son Khalil in a bombing near their home in Jabalia refugee camp. He was her only child and born after many failed IVF attempts," said Dr. Ghalayini. "She was devastated. We did two operations free of charge for her, we froze her embryos.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/war-halts-ivf-treatment-in-gaza-as-parents-mourn-miracle-children

It took surgery and five years of IVF treatment for Amal to fall pregnant for the first and only time. That struggle against infertility lasted almost as long as her son Khaled’s short life. He was just seven years old when on 17 October an Israeli airstrike on Rafah, one of the first of the war, hit the family home.

Khaled was killed and Amal was plunged into a grief heightened by memories of her long battle to become a mother. Sometimes she struggles to keep going. “Death, in all its finality, seems less daunting than the relentless pain of living without Khaled,” she said. “He was the most precious thing in my life.”[/quote]

So people were starved and desperate due to Israeli control in Gaza, but there are modern IVF clinics and infertility treatments?[/quote]

Because Palestinians are some of the most educated people in the world. Like the Jews, they know how to survive against the harshest conditions.

Yes, there are more Gazan doctors and nurses per square mile in Gaza even though Israel keeps kidnapping or killing  them.

Israel doesn’t kill losers like terrorists that often. They kill professionals first (doctors, pharmacists, journalists). Those are usually their prime kills

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Could that possibly be because Hamas terrorists intentionally hide themselves underneath doctors in hospitals, which is a freaking war crime?[/quote]

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It’s funny how the pro-Hamas nutters will never acknowledge this.  [/quote]

Completely anti-Hamas here, but I don't think it's that ANYONE refuses to acknowledge the claims made by Israel and parroted by those under Israel's spell - it's just that Israel and the Zionist movement is composed of such a sad sack of pathological liars that they have failed miserably - over and over again - to provide as much as an ounce of evidence of these claims, and certainly none that is taken seriously by anyone impartial. Where is the evidence of these clandestine headquarters under hospitals, schools, etc.? Why is Israel unable to provide evidence that isn't laughed out of the room by actual intelligence experts? Even with AI and video deepfakes, they still cannot produce anything that isn't below amateur hour quality.

So I don't think it's a matter of acknowledging it. We need to see evidence that matches the words. That's all. Where's the beef, especially after the billions we have sent over? Where's the beef?

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You can't be serious.  But sure, continue to believe what a terrorist organization tells you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/politics/gaza-hospital-hamas.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/13/world/middleeast/hamas-gaza-israel-fighting.html[/quote]

More recent reporting on 4/2/2024, extracting what you must think constitutes "evidence". Spoiler alert: it constitutes nothing more than claims by a nation and its armed forces that are both known worldwide for systemic dishonesty.

[i]The Israeli military first captured the hospital site during a raid in November, exposing and destroying a subterranean tunnel network that Israel said was a Hamas command center.[/i]

[b]Israel claiming that something was a "Hamas command center" is not evidence of anything other than a claim. In fact, Israel has repeatedly exploited the fact that those following along are easily confused - because Hamas was the civilian authority paying government employees, like physicians and staff at hospitals, those recurring paychecks provide "proof" that these individuals are members of Hamas. That their gathering at the hospital to, you know, do their jobs made it a Hamas command center. Is that how you see it? That those individuals doing civilian public health jobs are members of Hamas because Hamas is the only entity that is positioned to pay government employees?[/b]

[i]To support its claim of Hamas’s presence at the hospital, the Israeli military displayed digital copies of documents, branded with the logo of Hamas’s military wing, that it said were found at the site and which purported to document a meeting of the group’s militants inside the hospital. The Times could not verify the authenticity of the documents.[/I]

Again, that's not within the universe of actual evidence. And that's before we factor in Israel's dishonesty track record. It's actually embarrassing that there are individual like you out there, presumably with opposable thumbs, who think that what we both just read isn't an indictment of the entire Israeli position in this conflict. Digital copies of documents with a logo?! Not that!![/quote]

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