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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why do we think upwards of 25% of boys are labeled as ADHD in elementary school? They grow up in an environment built for girls for 7 hours a day and are medicated to stay quieter. Our society no longer understands or appreciates little boys and this is the natural outcome. [/quote]

Well, no. It's the boys (and their parents, and society's expectations/ tolerance level) that have changed. Sitting quietly and respectfully for a full school day used to be the norm. There was an ironclad expectation from schools and parents alike that children, boys included, behave themselves in class. This was true from the earliest days of congregate education, up until, well, now. Even when I was a kid, when ADHD meds were rare but corporal punishment was a thing of the past, there was nothing like the chaos that reigns in today's classrooms at every level. So it's not even that we used to beat them into compliance (though of course we did-- it just wasn't the only factor.)

So boys are no longer expected to sit quietly and do their work. And yet they still expect to win at everything, when girls following the rules and doing the work are [i]right there[/i] modeling the behavior that used to be expected of all students. The only explanation for this is that parents have abdicated their responsibility to raise respectful humans, and communicated to their boys the sense of entitlement-- the right to be wild, to play rough, to denigrate their teachers-- and the understanding that this will not affect their futures.

Want better men? Raise better boys. Shelve the excuses. [/quote]

You can say this until you’re blue in the face but until there is a shift in how society views and treats  little boys (re read your own post for example), boys will continue to gravitate towards “cool men who get me!” like the idiot MRA guys. [/quote]

The discussion is about how to prevent boys from becoming incels, right? So you've shot down better parenting/ more engagement, and you've shot down higher expectations. Unless you have a society-changeinator device, I guess all that's left is giving up. Tried nothing and you're all out of ideas. [/quote]

We had many of these problems solved decades ago. Just need to eliminate the new stuff that doesn’t work. For instance, the obsession with showing work in math is a complete waste of time. In math, you’re right or wrong. That’s it. Adding words to the solution changes it away from a math problem. [/quote]

While I am not entirely persuaded math alone leads boys to life as incels, there is certainly a contribution to toxic masculinity coming from the rigidity of mathematics as it exists.  [/quote]

JFC! Did you actually write this? Is this The Onion?

Who are you people? [/quote]

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