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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The moving of DEI people to EEO offices in some agencies won't last. The executive orders made that explicitly clear, so those people will most likely be made redundant soon enough. Any agency that attempts to maintain some kind of DEI undercover will be ruthlessly reformed. Best is to accept that DEI is over and done with and move on. It's a brave new world.

I'll have to admit if the Biden administration hadn't gone so overboard with DEI and just kept the standard generations old affirmative action approach, all of this probably wouldn't be happening. [/quote]
Except for veterans, there has never been affirmative action in government hiring.[/quote]

Affirmative action was a very real presence in the Federal bureaucracy and Federal contracting. 8(a) had a massive influence on contracting and hiring and it is the instrument by which AA spread from the Feds to the contractors and into the private sector. I have no idea what you are trying to pretend otherwise.

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At no point has there been affirmative action in the hiring of federal employees.[/quote]

... nor employees of contractors. The EO Trump removed actually prohibited that. But he stupidly thought it required that. LOL.[/quote]

Come off it. You're hiding behind semantics. You're not persuading anyone. Employees were legally required to report hiring data on minorities to the Federal government. There was an entire bureaucracy around AA. And as someone who worked in Federal contracting, over the last four years there was definitely, unquestionably, a push to emphasize DEI across contracting and hiring much more explicitly than before.[/quote]

I'm not hiding anything and when it comes to law semantics matter -- entirely.

The disinformation you are spreading is that these EO or laws required preferential treatment in hiring or quotas. They didn't. Show me the actual text of a law or EO that allowed or required mandatory hiring quotas or preferences in hiring employees based on race, gender, or national origin. [spoiler alert: the EO that Trump just revoked did neither, and in fact prohibited it].

For those who care to understand, affirmative action here actually meant taking affirmative action to make sure that your job opening information reaches a broad audience (i.e., you don't only publish in a newspaper of 100% homogenous town or exclusively recruit on campuses that are homogenous), and that you track applicant and hiring data to periodically make sure that you are reaching a broad pool of applicants and that your data does not suggest a pattern of discrimination; you form "goals" based on what your data shows and track progress toward goals, but you many not ever make a decision based on discriminatory criteria, even to meat those goals. If you don't meet your goals, there is no penalty, you need to review what you are doing in hiring to make sure your goals are still valid and if so that you are not missing your goals due to discrimination. An Affirmative Action Plan, essentially is a record of where you posted jobs, and list of applicants and hires. Very boring documents, and something HR has to do anyway.

The difference now is they don't have to turn that data over to the government, and they won't be audited on it. There were resources out there that made compliance easy, like posting job openings in certain government data bases. Those may go away, except for the ones exclusive to veterans, which is probably less of a big deal now that most hiring is on line -- but when the government first centralized job data bases like this it was novel.  Personally, I think it is much ado about nothing, except for the disinformation being spread about what had actually changed based on this particular EO.[/quote]

NP. As a federal contractor, we were told by our HR that we had to interview more black candidates and more male candidates, and we were told we had to hire from that group. [/quote]

we were told the same thing and I quietly reported them. [/quote]

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