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Why are doctors running late

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My doctors doesn’t spend enough time with me.

Which do you want? If doctors take the time to listen, they will be behind. There are booked for 15 mins which includes the vitals.[/quote]

If your whole model is based on you not having the time to do the work, at some point you’re not really doing the work, are you?

That’s what the f we all want from doctors: for them to get loud enough about it to CHANGE IT.[/quote]

How? You seem to think there is a way to do it, or that doctors can. You seem to be a citizen in a country going down in flames, politically -- so why haven't you CHANGED IT? why haven't you FIXED AMERICA?

Maybe because you can't, even you are a part of it. But yeah, nobody outside the country can fix America, either. Not so far.[/quote]

Doctors’ professional organizations have stood shoulder to shoulder against most innovations that would improve the system for patients. (The AMA even opposed Medicare!) Maybe start by getting your own orgs, which you do control, acting for the greater good and not just for docs.

It is for sure what I am doing in the parallel circumstances in my own life to which you point.[/quote]

How? I was a member of the AMA, but stopped giving them membership money because my voting didn't matter. I'm still a member of the AAP, which was formed in opposition to the AMA opposing Medicare and still supports universal health care for our patients.

But you don't care about that, do you?

AAP champions universal health coverage for all children in all settings 
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/6554/AAP-champions-universal-health-coverage-for-all

https://www.aap.org/en/advocacy/health-care-access-coverage/
AAP Advocacy: Health Care Access & Coverage

So are you, what, running for political office? Are you actually changing anything, or are you just trumpeting around on the internet what you think other people should be doing? [b]Why aren't you fixing America? A heckuva lot of your reps aren't doing what they should. Fix it.[/b][/quote]

[b]Your description of your AMA membership trajectory really tells the story. [/b]The AMA is bigger and more powerful than the AAP. You quit to join an org that represented your opinions better, at a time when you thought you had the option to ignore what the larger and more powerful orgs were doing.

What you’re describing is a strategic mistake at every level of governance—organizations, political parties, the works. The answer is never to divest; it is to lean in on winning.

These folks you want me to fix are your reps as well, so I hope you’re calling them; they take docs a lot more seriously than they take patients.

And as a patient, I’d be a lot more willing to tolerate all your dithering with the EMR if I knew you were doing that.[/quote]

Sure it is. So tell me what exactly I was supposed to do (while seeing patients) in the AMA that I didn't -- what more than voting, serving on committees, and advocacy?

And what exactly are you "doing" to fix our country politically? Why is it even more of a dumpster fire now than it has ever been?

This looks a LOT like someone who likes to give advice and criticism but produces jack squat. Am I wrong?[/quote]

You sound so angry—imagine how angry a patient is. Imagine you had multiple people in your immediate household attempting to navigate this garbage, broken system with disabling illnesses—and the healthiest one of them was you.

Doctors and patients are not equally situated in this debacle. The badness that prevails in your work and the badness that prevails in patients’ lives are not the same experiences.

So no, we won’t be having a showdown about how angry and helpless it makes you, a doc, feel that your industry is on fire, and what patients should do about that. Start a new thread if you’d like.[/quote]

I have yet for anyone to lay out exactly what other steps there were to take, at least as far as the AMA and overall practice of medicine.

You may say that you don't know, and that's my job -- but what you don't know is that those steps don't exist. And those that criticize are not in a position to see that, but they feel free to lob criticism.

I agree it's probably useless to discuss further here. That's a shame.[/quote]

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