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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]I just don’t see actors stopping and checking a prop gun every time it’s handed to them and the assistant director and armorer say cold gun.[/quote]

I bet most actors won't mind checking, now.[/quote]

Do they even know how to? I'd argue that the armorer should be there before the film starts rolling and walk them through it. I've had about 50 hours of weapons training with highly trained professionals that do it for a living. This was training for non-military, but official travel to a dangerous area, so we were trained with live rounds. A LOT of live rounds. 50 hours is not a ton, but I bet it's more that 90% of the adult population. On my own, I could reliably clear a Glock, a shotgun (probably), and a revolver. Something antique or replica? Very hard to say.

From my training I personally would not be comfortable using a weapon where the trigger worked without personally being walked through the clearing procedure. I don't think that is the same standard for actors on set where rule #1 is NO LIVE ROUNDS.[/quote]

You trained 50 HOURS! and you can only function-check/clear a Glock, a revolver and *maybe* a shotgun?

WTAF? What kind of training was this? I taught my mother how handle, function-check, load, shoot, clear, field strip, clean and reassemble an AR in less than an hour. My 76 year old mother. In less than an hour.

I’m baffled by your post. Just baffled.

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DP.  I don't want to meet your mother when she's anywhere near a gun.  [/quote]

Why not? She’s great!  :mrgreen:

I guess I should’ve mentioned that she has some familiarity with other guns and was maybe 7-8 years old the first time she shot one - but the AR platform was new to her. But she already understood the principles of safe handling long before I was even born. So really it was just teaching her the mechanics of the rifle itself - which are pretty straightforward once you understand how it functions.

But even with an absolute neophyte (whom I’ve trained quite a few of) we’re only talking about 3-4 hours from introduction to safe handling, to operating principles, to mechanical function, to loading, sight picture, firing proficiency, malfunction clearing, cleaning and disassembly. I typically start new shooters with a Browning Buckmark .22 semiautomatic pistol, and by lunchtime they are shooting proficiently enough after 300-400 rounds that they want to progress to something larger after lunch.

My USA depot armorer’s course for the M249 SAW, M240B GPMG and M2HB HMG didn’t even take 50 hours, and I can assure you, belt fed machineguns are a LOT more complicated to operate (and repair) than a basic semiautomatic pistol like a Glock, a revolver and a (presumably) pump shotgun.

That’s why I’m having such a hard time believing that someone received 50 hours of training and ONLY gained enough familiarity with unloading/clearing the two most basic, simple handguns in existence, plus a shotgun (which is equally simple).

50 hours is five ten-hour days. FIVE!

What the Hell else were they doing all this time? It takes about 5 minutes to understand how a basic semiautomatic pistol like a Glock functions. Even less for a revolver. You could spend the entire remaining 49 hours and 50 minutes shooting, because you’ve already learned how they both work in 10 minutes.

So yeah, I’m calling BS on the “I had 50 hours of training and I only learned how to unload and clear two really simple handguns”.

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