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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]All of us at APE know who the 2 primary people are who are spreading misinformation about APE. [/b] They’ve been discussed on this board repeatedly.

We’re glad to see that we just live daily in their heads rent-free, while our 1,000+ members and huge core team go about our work. And thank you for continuing to bring attention to our organization - it just gets us more members.[/quote]

I'm the OP of this thread. You don't know me.

What have I posted that wasn't factual?

Glad you like this thread. I'll continue to update now that APE has just started this more "political" phase. 
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DP and yes, we all know you, you post the exact same way over on AEM all. the. time.

Apparently a lot of parents share concerns over math changes -  this 50 page thread in this forum regarding the change  - https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/962765.page, and there are plenty other threads in Fairfax county schools and AAP.

Sadly Arlington Co is the land of lowered expectations in schools which I chalk up to the wealth of so many families to simply procure educational resources outside of school. Who can blame them?  It's easier to hire a tutor vs. trying to make a systemic change in the school.  I don't see you doing anything or getting a group of parents together to look at APS.  All you do is post anonymous message here and nasty messages on a fb group.  What does that do?  What does that accomplish?  Nothing except entertainment. If you are that bored, spend some time with your dog

You have posted before regarding the fact that APE members send their kids to private school.  Be glad they still take even a fleeting interest in public schools because so few parents with kids in APS actually do or go to the extent of actually organizing and trying to make a change.  You don't seem to get it.  The more they speak up, the more the opposite side speaks up. And that's a really, really good thing.  Because that's how you get parents to take an interest and take note.  To opposing sides are needed or else everything is rubber stamped and no one looks closely.   [/quote]

You are conflating all sorts of people. No, you don’t know me. I don’t post on AEM. I don’t know where APE parents send their kids - aside from Turner sending kids to private last year.

Should you pay attention to changes to the math curriculum? Of course. APE’s newsletter about VMPI was pushing misinformation and generally was out-of-date/touch. Seemed like it was written by someone just starting to pay attention now and didn’t even know the basic facts.

I’m all for FACTUAL discussions that benefit our kids. Not these political games.

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You posted your opinion on page 18 -“ That VMPI may prevent school districts from offering advanced/accelerated paths.”
That’s not a fact because there is nothing yet. It’s all proposals.

And for all your “facts” you clearly missed the boat on the discussion because the VDOE walked back what they originally released due to parent pressure and complaints.

Here is an actual fact - now is the time for parents and school districts to get involved. Basically without an outcry things just pass on through. Who knows? that idea that districts can continue to implement their own plans might end up being dropped if no one shows up and cares about it during the actual process that is going on.

And I don’t even support math acceleration so I am not objecting to the proposal BUT I know many families who care a lot about it so it’s good to see that someone in APS is paying attention to the issue and trying to get involved.

Again  besides posting here anonymously which reaches very few parents in APS, what have you done to organize and push issues in APS regarding actual education issues? 
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As I already said, parents should be paying attention. Yes, certainly get involved now. That would be great if APE were actually sharing relevant, thoughtful info about VMPI but they aren't. They went with out-of-touch "analysis" and misinformation. They weren't paying attention before and it shows.

[b]And it's not an opinion. VDOE/VMPI is indisputably very clear now on acceleration/advanced paths. They weren't explicit one way or another initially but now in Sept/Oct 2021 (months after the first wave of RWNJ hysterics) they are crystal clear. [/b]

For APE to push that now is misinformation. Perhaps because they weren't paying attention, but it's certainly not accurate.

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NOPE.

Again, they are in the proposal stage so the only thing that is "indisputably very clear" is that anything discussed now, any infographic shown no matter how pretty, may or may not be the end result.  And what any one person from VDOE says in a statement may or may not be around for the implementation or even for the rest of the process.

So you are doing nothing different that APE.  You are giving your opinion.  Nothing else.  And at least APE is doing it in a fashion that includes outreach with an idea to get parents interested.  If you don't like their opinion, go on AEM and drum up some friends to put together something based on your opinion and start doing outreach.

Here is the timeline as it stands today.  Even this of course is subject to change. who knows, they might decide to change course completely.

-MPI is in the development stage, and the changes being proposed are under discussion with a wide variety of stakeholders, including the Board of Education. No final decisions have been made at this time.
-The changes being considered as a part of VMPI will ultimately be decided upon and put into effect with the regularly scheduled 2023 update to the Virginia Mathematics Standards of Learning. These standards cover grades K-12 and are updated once every 7 years by the Board of Education. As with all new mathematics standards, there will be many opportunities for public comment and revisions.
-Any changes made to the Mathematics Standards of Learning would be scheduled for classroom level implementation in the 2025-2026 school year.

2020-2021 Develop Essential Concepts
2021-2022 Revision Committee – Draft 2023 Math SOL
2022-2023 Board of Education Review of Draft 2023 Math SOL
2023-2024 Board of Education Approval Request 2023 Math SOL
2024-2025 Crosswalk Year 2023 Math SOL
2025-2026 Full Implementation 2023 Math SOL, Math Essential Concepts Courses Initiated
2026-2027 New Graduation Requirements[/quote]

Nope. It's crystal clear. But don't just take my word for it...

https://www.nbc12.com/2021/04/26/acceleration-is-not-going-away-virginia-department-education-discussing-future-mathematics-schools/
[i]RICHMOND, Va. (WWBT) - The Virginia state superintendent says families do not need to worry about accelerated math courses being eliminated within schools. Concerned families had been worried after hearing of the possibility of accelerated courses being eliminated prior to the 11th grade.

[b]“Absolutely, acceleration is NOT going away in mathematics courses in Virginia, if a student needs an accelerated pathway they will absolutely get it,” said Superintendent Dr. James Lane.[/b]

Lane says there may have been confusion following conversations about the Virginia Department of Education’s, Virginia Mathematics Pathways Initiative (VMPI).

“The Virginia Mathematics Pathways Initiative (VMPI) is a joint initiative of the Virginia Department of Education (VDOE), the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia (SCHEV) and the Virginia Community College System (VCCS) to consider how to modernize and update math instruction to Virginia’s K-12 students to prepare them all to be life ready and succeed in their post-secondary pursuits,” VDOE wrote online. “VMPI is a proposal to modernize and update Virginia’s mathematics curriculum in grades K-12 to align instruction with the essential knowledge and skills students need to succeed in the 21st-century economy. The proposals would update Virginia’s Mathematics Standards of Learning and Virginia’s public school divisions would then be responsible for creating courses and designing curricula to implement those state standards, as they do now.”

“We are not eliminating accelerated courses we are not reducing rigor in the program, and with the focus on data analytics, we are increasing more rigorous opportunities for students we are not eliminating paths to calculus and we are increasing pathways students may want to choose,” said Lane.[/i]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/05/09/fact-check-virginia-not-eliminating-advanced-math-classes/4921053001/
[i][b]Fact check: Proposal would not eliminate advanced math classes in Virginia[/b]

Acceleration is not going away
"Absolutely, acceleration is NOT going away in mathematics courses in Virginia,” Virginia state schools superintendent Dr. James Lane told local news station WWBT. "If a student needs an accelerated pathway they will absolutely get it."

Lane said current discussions are focusing on including data analytics in curriculums and courseloads.

"The state Board of Education is required to review, and if necessary, revise its standards in all subject areas every seven years," Virginia Department of Education spokesperson Charles Pyle told USA TODAY via email. The pathways initiative is the beginning of the mandated process.

Pyle said the traditional high school mathematics pathway, which ends with Calculus or other advanced courses, is not being eliminated.

"Additional course pathways will include engaging semester courses in statistics, data science, modeling, design, and logic, among others," he said.[/i]

This is clear to anyone who has been following this all along, which clearly APE has not. 
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Once again, what one person says today means nothing. Even if they use the word “promise” and “absolutely no way” 
How do you know Lane is even going to be around in 2027? how about even just next year? You don’t.

And you act like a news site writing  “Fact check” means something. 😂 That’s just a marketing tactic that news channels and papers like to use to make them look more authoritative.

And if you want to reply, how about you reply and answer the question regarding what you are doing besides posting on this anonymous site to do outreach to APS parents and organize and get together other parents to share information and encourage parent involvement?

You never will because you are just mad that interest in bashing APE has dried up 🤷‍♂️ 
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LOL. That “one person” isn’t just some random guy. He’s the VA state superintendent.

I guess if we are looking at extreme scenarios now we don’t even know 100% that VMPI will happen at all. Maybe a meteor will strike the earth.  :lol:

But, until then, VA DOE and VMPI have very clearly stated that school districts can still offer advanced/accelerated paths for math, just as they do today.

As long as APE continues pushing misinformation or making slimy political moves I’ll continue to call them out. 
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Sure, go ahead and trust that APS will still be offering advanced math pathways when this is done just because someone says it’s possible.  That worked out very well for kids who wanted to take German and Latin, right?[/quote]

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