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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There have been many cases of documented out of body experiences that can not be explaned through normal scientific means.  If a body and a person's mind can exist in two different physical places, that means they must be connected through a "supernatural" means, ie a soul.

[/quote]We can induce out of body experiences in a lab. First done in 2007. Not so mysterious anymore. [/quote]

Really?  How?  And a link please?[/quote]

I'm not the PP, but here's a link : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6960612.stm

NDE can be recreated, too. They've been reported by those who experienced blackouts when under extreme G forces. I don't think it happened to every subject, but enough for me to consider it as recreated in a lab. [/quote]

That's not inducing an OBE, that's making someone feel like they have had an OBE.  If you can do in the lab what the PP said was done with the old man and the broken arm, then I'd be convinced.[/quote]

There is a drug called Ketamine that produces all of the elements of an OBE when it is injected into normal, non-dying people. In other words, an OBE is a natural, chemically induced state that the human brain enters. The trigger for an OBE is lack of oxygen to the brain and body. If you read scientific papers like these, you find that there is a completely chemical and completely non-spiritual reason for the features of every OBE.

http://www.mindspring.com/~scottr/nde/jansen1.html

Is this a direct proof that God is imaginary? No. However, it is a direct proof that the OBE (which many people use as "indisputable" proof that God and eternal life exist) has no supernatural meaning. We can scientificaly prove OBEs to be chemical side-effects rather than "a gateway to the afterlife" as many religious believers claim.[/quote]

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