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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote] We have been giving ESOL and special education to Italians, Irish and others who immigrated in big numbers in the past too. [/quote]

I'm just responding to this - as a first-gen and an educator.

My family learned English ("off the boat" Italians) in night school and on their own.  It was "sink or swim" through the 1960s.  However, event though we formalized the process, my family didn't have the opportunity NOT to learn b/c nothing was translated for them. So they arrived poor, worked their ass*es off, and learned the language.

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So you are a brown person yourself. How can you now judge the Hispanic brown people? If at all anything Italian is the closest language to Spanish.

I think any immigrants are hardworking whether they are brown immigrants from Italy or Mx,  Or white immigrants from Sweden, Or black immigrants from Jamaica.
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Italians are not considered brown, and not all of us have olive complexions.

I am not judging; I am stating facts.  My family didn't have it easy coming over.  Once they arrived, they did everything they could to retain their culture w/in the home (and among their family and friends), but outside of the home, they were proud Americans.

You see - there came a point when building resilience and resourcefulness in people was replaced by enabling.  I see it in the school system.  We have created a Me Me nation where many are expecting handouts.  You don't build people up by giving them everything.

Enter through legal avenues.
Learn English.
Work your a** off.
Be a role model for your kids.

Not all people are the same.  I have had many students - majority Hispanic and African - who agree with me.  When you enter a new country, you bend for the country, as it's providing you opportunities you supposedly didn't have in your country of birth, right?  b/c if life was so good back home, why leave?

My family escaped poverty.  My father barely had a home; it was crumbling.  Christmas gits consisted of winter fruits. When he was alive, he had fond memories of Italy despite the obstacles that faced him, but he was proud of his accomplishments in the U. S.  (Mom was luckier in that she was a "middle class" Italian, but the family knew that they could move ahead in the States.)

So the neo-libs can preach it all they want!  You don't speak for all of us.  And that assumption that we're all the same will be a negative force in 2020. [/quote]

How were your parents able to immigrate?  [/quote]

Dad and my grandfather worked. They saved money, hopped on a boat & came through Ellis Island. They rented an apartment in PG County and worked as stonemasons. When they saved up enough money, they brought the others over - grandmother, aunts & uncle. My father & uncle served in WWII.

Eventually, their business grew and they parted ways, each opening up his own business.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

They helped each other and bc they were honest & talented, their businesses grew.[/quote]

Immigration doesn’t work that way anymore.[/quote]

really?

It worked that way for my nanny (El Salvador).  It worked that way for my friend's husband (Italy). . .  for my neighbor (Russia) . . . for my niece's boyfriend (Ireland)

No one says it's an easy process, and based on what little I know, it could be simplified. But again, if there's a will, there's a way. [/quote]

Really, so all they had to do was find the resources to get themselves to the U.S. border and then they were allowed in?  Because that’s exactly what’s happening at our southern border, people are finding the resources to make it to the border, except they’re not being allowed in.

What you described is essentially how our immigration system used to work, and it is how an awful lot of our ancestors got here - if you could afford the ticket, you were in.  But the system has fundamentally changed now, and the majority of people who immigrated 100 years ago would not be allowed into the country today.[/quote]

+1.  Of course the cons are completely ignoring this because it doesn’t fit their rhetoric.[/quote]

rhetoric?

lol

This is MY story.  I'm uplifted by their success and I share in their successes.

So you can try to slap me down, but hon, rhetoric is argument.  Argument is based on perspective.  We'll agree to disagree b/c I'm for LEGAL immigration - and a lot of patience.  And guess what?  If ANY of you morons tried to pull this stunt in any other country, you'd be sent away.

ridiculous excuses

no thanks[/quote]

So your response to people who cannot qualify to immigrate to the US through no fault of their own is, “sucks to be you, I got mine”?[/quote]

DP, but, um, yes. The U.S. now has immigration laws because it's become a first-world country with a safety net and public benefits that cost taxpayers money, such as public schools. So no, you can't just immigrate by showing up at the border. This is a rich and relatively safe country, so there are more people who want to immigrate here than we can or should admit. Comments like this are why people are accusing Democrats of wanting open borders (and I am one).[/quote]

+1,000,000[/quote]

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