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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Did anyone read the CNN article about health insurance denials?  On a personal level, they are all terrible stories … but on an economic/policy level, I’m not so sure.

The 70 year old woman from Worcester complains that she pays hundreds of dollars a month but her insurer would not cover more than 6 weeks in a post-acute rehab center after her surgery, although it appears that center cost about 5K a week…..the economics just don’t add up.  Most elderly people will have multiple health issues and surgeries are not uncommon.  If the insurer is charging hundreds in premiums, yet paying out tens of thousands in provider charges, how can this make sense?  It used to be that these large costs were rare so the premiums paid by healthy people covered the costs of the unlucky, but now it seems like almost everyone has some health condition or needs a surgery to improve quality of life.  Post-acute in patient care is great but that wasn’t even really a thing 20-30 years ago—you just had to have family that would stay with you to help you post-surgery.

And the young girl with cancer probably picked a cheaper plan with a higher co-pay, figuring she was young and healthy.  Should insurance companies not be permitted to offer those types of plans?  I really don’t know.  The problem is that most health care consumers don’t really adequately assess their potential risks and everyone is operating with insufficient information about what their health needs might be, and what things actually cost.

As far as the paramedic and his MRI….that seems ridiculous and he probably has a good appeal.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/12/business/us-health-care-insurance-frustrations/index.html

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[b]5% of the population accounts for 50% of healthcare spending. [/b]There are a lot of people like me who rarely visit doctors and have no prescriptions. I do screenings, blood work, etc., as recommended, but I'm a healthy 47 yo F who pays about $5K a year in premiums.[/quote]

Are we talking about the [i]same[/i] 5% of people year after year?  If not, I'm not sure this is particularly helpful information; it just means that in a given year, 5% of the population gets really sick. [/quote]

It seems like a small share of the US population have long-term illnesses that require expensive treatment, and those people should definitely get all the help they need. But a good chunk of the expensive patients are just people who like to get the latest tests and treatments for every small health issue, expecting miracles and without doing any of the hard work it takes to stay healthy. For example, for most (not all) people, exercise will resolve back pain, but some people refuse to exercise and just want $$$ surgeries and painkillers. I know someone who goes to the ER (or takes her kids there) many times each year, because she has untreated anxiety and refuses to see a therapist or take anxiety meds. And before you tell me I'm lucky that I'm not seriously ill -- I have a chronic condition that I manage cheaply with drastic changes in diet and exercise, while I know some people spending tens of thousands on medication that allows them to live symptom-free without any adjustment to their diet or exercise. I'm not immortal and I'm sure some day I'll need some expensive round of cancer treatment, but getting expensive treatments when absolutely necessary in old age is not the same as expecting them as a routine matter starting in childhood.[/quote]

Why should one group "definitely" get expensive on going treatment and another be denied some tests?[/quote]

In order to ensure a baseline of health for the whole population. If you want every headache test to be paid for, at the expense of not having money left for cancer treatments, you will end up with a society where minor conditions are over treated and life-threatening ones are fatal.[/quote]

Tell us which age group sucks up most of the resources and how that benefits the whole population. [/quote]
Excellent equation. And one I think we know the answer too.

End of life
Chronically ill and disabled
Illegal immigrants [/quote]

Yeah, why shouldn’t insurance companies just become money printing machines?  [/quote]

Something is a gatekeeper either way.

And the PpP still answers the question: the largest segments sucking down resources are end of life, chronically ill/disabled, and illegal immigrant.

All three cohorts pay in zero to the system (illegal aliens) or usually premiums yet are vastly net users .

Good luck getting an anesthesiologist if they’re all tied up. Rationing happens every single day. [/quote]

Zero?! Really? Illegal immigrants farm the land, raise your babies and clean your toilets, all of which are jobs lazy Americans find beneath them and would never do. I would not call this zero contribution.

Healthcare should be a universal right and free, the way it is in the rest of the developed world. [/quote]

Zero in to the insurance, welfare, medicaid, hospital system? Yes, it’s zero.

That’s what happens when you country hop to USA and go into labor, use the hospitals, have an anchor baby on welfare, etc. You paid in zero to the system, and took out lots.

Same thing for public education. Arrive and start using. [/quote] how are illegal immigrants collecting welfare. Please explain this to me. (Hint, the only place this happens is in your imagination and on Fox News.)[/quote]

Yes, and I interact with a lot of undocumented immigrants for my job. Most of them have SSNs and pay taxes (you don’t need to be documented for that). The great majority of them are here to work, and it’s very hard to find a job that’s under the table. Even day labor and informal childcare is less of a thing lately.[/quote]

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