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Meanwhile, you have decided what the right way to "study and believe" is.  Many sincere Christians "have studied and believe" that the resurrection is a metaphor for rebirth.  They believe in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus in a different way than you and the fundamentalists  think they should believe, but they still believe.

Some educated religious liberal Christians are aware of the numerous ancient resurrection myths and see them (and Jesus) as reflecting a basic human desire to remake themselves and get a fresh start.  I respect the liberals more because they are more thoughtful and less dogmatic and more aware of and in sync with modern science and philosophy.[/quote]

Okay, so Jesus was not real. He was just a metaphor for rebirth, doing good, redeeming ourselves individually and collectively for the sins of the past by living a good righteous life from now on. Okay, I'll grant you that.

Lets take one more step, how can you then be sure that God is real. I propose that God is really just a metaphor that the authors of the bible created, to represent the great sense of unknown, our submission to the unknowable limits of our existence, to accept that we can not know in our own lifetime and in the lifetime of all of man, all that there is to know, because it is bigger and greater than us, our solar system, our galaxy, and perhaps even our own universe.

I simply cannot respect the logic that discounts everything in Christianity, including Christ himself, yet stops short of discounting God. It's weakness hiding under the idea of pragmatism.

McLeanAtheist[/quote]

A lot of liberal Christians see "god" as a metaphor too.  Others are not so sure and/or don't want to think about it much[/quote]

Okay, at what point are you then simply agnostic and no longer a Christian? If you don't even get in the water, are you still swimming?

McLeanAtheist[/quote]

Good question -- I think (from what I've seen) that it is largely a state of mind with some people - they may be agnostics who like going to church so they think of themselves as Christians, though, if you ask them a few questions, it will be fairly clear that they are agnostic - the beliefs are not that important to them.  I think a lot of people who eventually drift away and become "nones" could be like this.    There are others who feel a  sense of "god" or "Spirituality"  but don't identify with any particular religion and are not interested in taking a stand or thinking much about their beliefs.[/quote]

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