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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] [quote]   You know, frat parties are full of people, including guys who are not members of that particular frat. William Beebe raped a woman in the Phi Psi house back in the 80s, but he wasn't even a member of that frat. We don't know if the rapists were all members of the frat, and ruining the lives of some guys for just being innocent members of Phi Psi is pretty psycho.

Lord. If a fraternity shuts down, their lives aren't ruined. They have to move to different housing. It's not a fun thing, but it's not a LIFE-RUINING event. It takes years to recover from getting raped. It takes a couple of weeks (max) to find new housing. [/quote]

The comments were about PPs who were posting online profiles of a Phi Psi brother and speculating whether he was "Drew."  The reference to "ruining their lives" wasn't to losing housing, it was to having their reputation ruined if they were innocent.  Though as I said before, I'm not that bothered--the whole alleged point of the brotherhood is banding together for the collective.  If they were brothers at the time, they may be complicit; they may have looked the other way; at the very least by belonging they enabled and harbored what went on.  And even if they didn't know a thing, they can still share the shame--that's the flip side of sharing whatever else it is they all share.  They signed up for it.
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You are crazy.  The entire group shouldn't suffer if they didn't know what was going on.  No one expects that or signs up for it.[/quote]

There is some speculation that the rape in the Rolling Stone article was a planned, organized hazing event and that pledges needed to participate to prove themselves worthy of joining. If that argument has merit, then the entire group should suffer because they did know what was going on, and they did expect it and signed up for it.[/quote]

Look, if it is an actual proven fact that that the rape was planned, organized, and covered up all in that frat, then they all should suffer.  Right now it's just some speculation.  There's some speculation that you are crazy, but that doesn't mean that you should be put under a psych evaluation right now.[/quote]

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