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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]    You all need to stop playing Nancy Drew and trying to post frat members names. What if that was your son and he was innocent?

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I really can't believe someone has posted names and pictures. What these guys did was heinous, but right now we have no idea who they were. Stop the witchhunt until there are more facts.[/quote]

Here's the thing:  Guys who were Phi Psi brothers at the time may not have been in the room, but they were "brothers" with the guys who were.  This "brotherhood" system is built around a one-for-all, all-for-one attitude.  That's supposedly its signal virtue and attraction.

They know these guys, they support these guys.  And if the victim's account is correct, this was hardly a one-off: it was apparently a rite of passage for the rapists.  (She reported that one of her assailants whom she knew from class didn't want to go through with it, but was told that he had to, "we had to do it too" (or words to that effect)).

So if some of them get identified and publicly shamed, and it turns out they weren't the rapists (at least this time), I'm not that upset about it.  Let them explain the actions of their "brothers."  If that's hard for them, or creates embarrassment in their current lives or careers, they can blame their "brothers," not Nancy Drew here.

The whole system is about sharing triumph, and revelry, and whatever credit they claim.  Let them share the shame as well.  [/quote]

You know, frat parties are full of people, including guys who are not members of that particular frat.  William Beebe raped a woman in the Phi Psi house back in the 80s, but he wasn't even a member of that frat.  We don't know if the rapists were all members of the frat, and [b]ruining the lives[/b] of some guys for just being innocent members of Phi Psi is pretty psycho.[/quote]

Lord.  If a fraternity shuts down, their lives aren't ruined. They have to move to different housing. It's not a fun thing, but it's not a LIFE-RUINING event. It takes years to recover from getting raped. It takes a couple of weeks (max) to find new housing. [/quote]

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