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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]California dominates because they have a long history of building out the multitiered network with purpose and scale. Each tier has strengths and weaknesses.

1 The UC tier is research and postgraduate focused. The UCs are there to train future researchers, doctors, lawyers and academics. Courses will focus on higher order thinking, critical thinking and problem solving the unknown. You are expected to be inspired by the faculty and your peers, self motivated to avail yourself of the reading and materials and seek out your own assistance.

Good -unmatched opportunities for research, fosters resilience, stretches your mind and strong faculty networks. Best for independent learners passionate about their field and competitive kids. They aren’t watered down the way many state are trying to offer a wider range of both higher level academic programs and career readiness programs.

Bad-really bad place for kids that are unprepared, bad place for kids expecting to be taught everything or stressed by competition. Disaster for kids seeking the leniency available at some privates. The only retake at a UC is retaking the entire course after you fail. Deadlines are hard, miss it and it’s a zero without a legitimate doctor’s note.

2. The Cal States tier is designated as professional career readiness. It is generally barred from pursuing research or offering graduate or doctoral degrees in anything beyond education, nursing etc. There are a few small exceptions and SDSU has been able to pursue research to hit R1 but just barely. Cal states are split between polytechnic and regular universities. Polytechnic schools provide applied training for engineering.

Good -better teaching, smaller classes, good regional career placement cheaper., mix of traditional and non traditional students
Bad-many feel like commuter schools, mix of traditional and non traditional students, historically the engineering programs were focused on creating the worker bees not the higher level engineers, there’s some snootiness against the Cal states that their engineers hit a wall later in their careers but I don’t think that’s as true today.

3. Community colleges- originally designated for those who weren’t ready for college or were financially unable to afford it. Unique in that the courses and curriculum required to transfer into UCs and Cal states are consistent and very good. Has changed to attract more top students looking for better admissions results or UMC students looking to save money for graduate school.

Good- free in many areas, excellent teaching, big money saver
Bad - this pathway is getting too popular and 4.0 transfer applicants from wealthy areas are getting rejected at Cal and UCLA. You really need to go to a CC that has TAP to one of these schools, do the honors level, etc. TAG to the mid tier and third tier UCs is still available but not for impacted majors. There is no TAG into most engineering and several other STEM programs. If you do well, you should still get in somewhere.
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They are in the process of throwing decades of building up that multi-tiered state system away.
Just pissing it away to avoid testing so they can have racial balance.
I see no real difference between UC Irvine and Cal State Fullerton student body at this point.
San Jose and Cal Poly used to be hidden diamonds and they are turning into swamps

For a long time California residents never felt the need to go east for their education because the UC system was so well structured and so damn good.  
Now aside from Stanford and to a lesser degree USC, there are no real top schools left in California.
It's a damned shame.[/quote]

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