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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?[/quote] Protest vote. She could have met with them in a small group if she didn't want to be cornered. But they were not going to hear anything from her that they have not already heard: "stand with Israel but stop humanitarian crisis in region....blah blah blah"[/quote] There is [b]no such thing as a protest vote [/b]and that’s what most of this thread is saying. [/quote] That is FALSE. Do you want to speak to Dearborn MI residents who did just that??? [/quote] They voted to make America worse. A vote for Stein was a vote for Trump. He will do nothing for Gaza, and he will make their lives harder here. They should have voted for Harris, then organized a campaign to sway her when she was in office. Instead, they voted to endanger the lives of my children, take away my health insurance, and my mother’s SS and Medicare. My sympathy is dry. I don’t think they’re alone by any stretch. I think a lot of left leaning voters were manipulated online to make them one issue voters in Gaza specifically to help Trump win. And unfortunately , it worked. [/quote] I do not think even this pointlessly maligned population were single-issue voters. But it’s pretty easy for you to withhold your cleary expansive sympathy when the Michigan strategy was: bring Bill Clinton into the state to say publicly “Jews were there first!” to get a roar and clapter, and to also fly in Richie Torres and Doug Emhoff. If the convo is about Michigan, in some pretty arrogant ways, the Harris campaign told hesitant voters to eff themselves. And they told the campaign to go to hell.[/quote] Yeah Harris's messaging obviously wasn't effective! I'm not sure why you're shouting at Dems now. We lost, badly - it's out of our hands what happens now. We didn't persuade these voters that we'd do more for them than Trump. And now they get Trump. So - they voted, and they won. And now they get Trump - and hopefully he'll keep all his promises. [/quote] This is what will lose that voting bloc for absolute ever to the Democratic Party. It’s enough. You’re just a B, and it’s visible from space. It’s like a more willful version - because we have history - of JFK permanently losing Cuban voters after Bay of Pigs. I have the same fears you must have about future elections, Trump or Vance staying in office past 2028. You and your stupid, mean, power girl posse are incapable of coalition building or seeing that using rich celebrities for messaging can’t be the go to. So be it. [/quote] I am not sure why you are yelling at me as if I am the one who came up with the messaging for this particular group. Whoever was in charge of that - it didn't work. And now people are getting what they voted for. I can't change that by getting upset with them any more than you can by getting upset with me. We didn't do this. They chose it. They *chose* it. [/quote] I’ll yell at you as you keep showing your ass, which is where your brain and soul seem to be located, all over this thread. The messaging and policy failures were foreseeable, deliberate choices against a marginalized and desperate voting bloc so lay the F off of people who had no power in a situation and were told repeatedly by those HOLDING THE POWER and their busted-face handmaidens like you to eat sh!r and die - or just settle down, be grateful to be here, and watch their families die and keep quiet about Israel and the military spend. They felt they had no choice and that’s hard to argue as irrational by the body count. Your choice is objectively irrational to blame this population when the turnout was historically low. The 12 million voters who said no thanks to this campaign are not all in southern Michigan Muslims.[/quote] You already won. I don't know why I need to be part of this shouting anymore. I am not shouting at you. I am just sitting here watching to see what happens now. I'd like it to be something good - as I said in the Trump Nobel prize thread, if he is able to negotiate actual peace, or if anyone else is, give them all the credit for it. I don't think that's what is going to happen but I am prepared to be surprised. I'm not showing anything. People voted for the choice they liked best. Now they get to live with it. Or die with it, if that's what happens. - which hopefully it won't be. But it's really not up to me in any way now. I voted for the other person. We lost. So now you all get to figure this out.[/quote]
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