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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed.  I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.  [/quote]

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.  [/quote]
Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.[/quote]

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions. [/quote]

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant. [/quote]

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child. [/quote]

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.[/quote]

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.[/quote]

DP.  It’s not punishment, it’s biology.  You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant.  It didn’t.  That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity.  Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that.  Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.  [/quote]
Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it. [/quote]

Who has forced you to become pregnant? Names, dates?[/quote]
I just find forced birthers like you to be so incredibly silly. You all talk like homeschooled middle schoolers - first in your class! - and so, so sure that the irrelevant lies you’ve been taught are the truth. It’s easy to sit smugly when you have never been challenged. You’ve never examined a single thing you were taught, and from the organized way you and the two other intensive posters are posting, I’d say my guess isn’t far from the truth and your mom said you could get extra credit for trying to convert people.

The really funny thing is that if you are an older woman, as I am, statistically speaking you’re just as likely to have had an abortion as I am, but like all hypocritical forced birthers, your abortion is the only moral abortion. (So much so someone actually wrote a story gently mocking all you sick hypocrites. You should read it!: https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/) If you had stayed pregnant by Hank from Bible camp, you wouldn’t have been able to go to college, and you wouldn’t have Braxton, Kayden and Sophia with your husband, and that’s somehow different from the choices other women make. There’s literally no difference between your abortion and any other woman’s abortion.

For the record, I’ve only ever been with one man and have never wanted, needed or sought an abortion. My miscarriages all resolved themselves (though with some scary bleeding as the other twin continued). I simply understand that women are people and that forced birther politics comes from a cold, dark, patriarchal, misogynistic culture that [i]needs[/i] to control women.

(Fun fact, since you really do talk like someone deep in the religious soup: you should read about Mary, mother of Jesus, was systemically written out of the important, Church continuing role she played as the Bible was edited over the years. Your church lies to you to keep you down, to insure that you Serena Joyly keep other women down, too. The patriarchy can’t exist without your willing participation.)[/quote]

I have never had an abortion and don’t attend any church. Religious people have their own beliefs, which they are free to have. Idk wtf your Hank and bible camp claptrap is about, but it’s utterly ridiculous and nonsensical.

Nobody cares about your long winded anecdotes about you and your life except you.

Killing unborn, healthy babies is not something that most Americans are down with past the first trimester, and elective abortion is what is being pushed as a right. It’s not a right, it’s a choice and surgical abortion of healthy babies are only performed in abortion clinics because no doctor besides a doctor that specializes in abortion wants to be killing healthy babies because mom decides after conception she doesn’t want to raise her child, because it’s inconvenient.

You can pretend all women have abortions and then decide they don’t want other women to have abortions, but that’s not me at all. If you feel like you want to make more random guesses about people posting here, go for it, but it is extremely unlikely you have any clue what you’re ranting about.

Unborn babies are just as valuable and important as their mothers are. They are just as important as you are. Any suggestion that an unborn child is disposable and not a human and not alive marks you as a monster that doesn’t value life, which you will protest, but is true. I don’t think abortion should be outlawed, but it should be rare. Very rare. It should be reserved for cases or rape and/or incest, and for women who are experiencing life threatening medical conditions. Not for women who elect to kill their child for convenience. I don’t think old people or sick people or anyone who is not terminally ill should be euthanized as Canada is now doing, because life is valuable and precious.

My mom was a socialist and a feminist. She had every right to choose and embrace whatever political views she wanted and did. I have my views and find your post utterly laughable. Talk about talking out your @ss. lol. 🤡[/quote]

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