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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To my read of the original meaning Zionism is the view that there should be a Jewish state across the land that is Israel as well as the West Bank, Gaza and Lebanon.

I also think there is an element of the view that it’s okay to kill, maime, and slaughter in a disproportionate attack on others.  And an unwillingness to accept that fact that by establishing Israel there was harm done to others.

Maybe there is a different term?   Not sure what to use in its place. Have any suggestions?   I certainly am not anti Jewish.  I am also not anti Israeli.  I am anti anyone who think what Israel is doing is ok.

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I'd use nothing as an epithet and just call people out on their actual positions once they make them known. Zionism is just belief in a Jewish homeland the vast majority of Jews share. It doesn't indicate a specific position on the conflict at all. Imo it's jarring to see it used as a slur and it makes people less willing to engage.[/quote]

“belief in a Jewish homeland”

Consider this point: the homeland was already home to others. Think and reflect on this point for a minute.

If you can’t accept this: THAt is the root of the problem.

Deflecting and blaming people for labeling it Zionism doesn’t make it less so.

The Holocaust was beyond words and purges in Europe were horrible (I can relate, I’m descended from Ukrainian Jews who left in the early 1900s bc of the pogroms).

It’s a lovely idea that there was a “land without people for a people without land” and I vividly remember in elementary school watching a documentary on how the Jews made the desert bloom.  But this was a lie.

Right now Israel is killing, maiming (and I keep repeating this on this board bc it’s true and beyond horrible) and displacing thousands of people. How can a good Jew think this is ok?  How do you justify this to yourself?

I agree that Israel should exist bc now it’s there and millions of Jews live there that should live. But Palestinians and Lebanese serve to live too. Any “right” that Israel has does not give it the right to inflict suffering onto others.  Jews are better than this.  We know what pain is. We know historical trauma. Let’s lean into our empathy.

The America I want to live in is better than this too.

I’m off my soapbox but it is so clear to me that Israel’s / Zionist’s’ (I think the term Zionist is better and less of a sweeping generalization that leads to hate crimes bc I know not all Israelis agree with Israel’s actions) are wrong that I just don’t know how a good human can think otherwise.

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I'm the Palestinian on here, and the idea I wouldn't want to live with you and hate you because you're Jewish, is precisely what Zionism is. Instinctively treating me like a "terrorist" and/or that I don't exist, I don't have a culture or identity and my life has no meaning.

We both as a people have suffered, but those who did most of the harm to the Jewish people were never really made to pay for what they had done and made us pay for those sins. When you have Netanyahu absolving Hitler and attempting to blame Palestinians for the Holocaust, that is what Zionism does. Not Judaism.[/quote]

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