Toggle navigation
Toggle navigation
Home
DCUM Forums
Nanny Forums
Events
About DCUM
Advertising
Search
Recent Topics
Hottest Topics
FAQs and Guidelines
Privacy Policy
Your current identity is: Anonymous
Login
Preview
Subject:
Forum Index
»
Schools and Education General Discussion
Reply to "NYT and school closures "
Subject:
Emoticons
More smilies
Text Color:
Default
Dark Red
Red
Orange
Brown
Yellow
Green
Olive
Cyan
Blue
Dark Blue
Violet
White
Black
Font:
Very Small
Small
Normal
Big
Giant
Close Marks
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][twitter][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ok. To some of us this was obvious from the get-go. Now go apologize to Ron DeSantis. [/quote] + a billion. Plus, let's demand some accountability. Time for NYT Editorial Board to resign. All of them.[/quote] Ha ha. Some of you are really pieces of work. [/quote] Worried you will lose your job?[/quote] What?[/quote] What is your interest in trying to shut down any discussion about where things went wrong? You are awfully defensive and paranoid that we might have to admit mistakes were made. Why is that?[/quote] My kids go to Catholic school, so they were back in person school in fall 2020. Some of you are kind of crazy. [/quote] Mine too, but I had to move from a batshit crazy place to get that. Had we stayed put the kids would have been out until late spring 2021. That's messed up. There was no reason for that whatsoever. There were some terrible decisions and we should hold people accountable for that. Why not? [/quote] And you think you get to command the NYT editorial board to resign? Move on. It is 2023. The kids who were hurt the most are the ones who have crazy parents. [/quote] Why don't you just sit this conversation out if you aren't interested? What harm is it to you if people want to learn where we went wrong and how do to better in the future?[/quote] Let it go. Let it go. Some of you have lost your minds. Go for a walk or something. [/quote] You are obsessed with shutting this down. What are you so worried about? Go for a walk yourself if this doesn't interest you. [/quote] I realize that posting on a message board that the NYT editorial board must resign is crazy. And ineffective. Go run for your school board if you want to make decisions. Instead of posting nonsense here. [/quote] It's amusing how much this bothers you. Must be hitting close to home. [/quote] Everyone should be concerned with the nutters running around in 2023 trying to blame people for handling the pandemic in a reasonable, rational way. I’m sorry that the pandemic was hard for you but you’re misdirecting your anger. [b]The important thing now is addressing educational gaps. Focus on that. [/b] (And glad you finally care about some of the many educational challenges that have existed for a long time and were magnified by the pandemic.) [/quote] How do you suggest we do that without admitting that there are problems? Why did the closures set kids back? What do you propose we do right now to address the problems in our public schools? [/quote] Have you ever been in a school? These problems existed before the pandemic. The pandemic just exacerbated them. Glad you are paying attention now. [/quote] Exactly. Instead of attacking the people who are actively addressing these issues why don’t you find a way to support them. Unless you have ulterior (political) motives. [/quote] So you are a teacher, is that why you're hyper defensive?[/quote] I’m a parent who detests irrational a-holes still attacking our schools/teachers YEARS later. It’s almost as if you don’t want to fix anything at all, just complain about it. [/quote] At least you admit your bias.[/quote] Yes, I’m biased against school-hating a-holes. [/quote] You didn't tolerate the complaining back in 2020 either. Not all of us agree that teachers and admins are beyond reproach. It's ok to hold their feet to the fire now. They were wrong.[/quote] OMG, I'm a DP and you are just gone. Out there. You don't want solutions. You want blood. Honestly, seek therapy. This anger won't help anyone. Not your kids. Not the school system. This kind of anger will lead to stupid decisions that make the situation worse. Our kids need help. There are already teacher shortages. We need more, good teachers and parents like you will drive any decent ones out of the system. We need more funding for schools and more services for our kids. Channel your energy into that. Otherwise, you are just a worthless blowhard.[/quote] I’m touched you’re so worked up. Maybe next time you will do the right thing and advocate for schools to stay open knowing now how awful your emotionally driven, factless opinions got us to where we are. Be the change.[/quote] DP. The evidence wasn’t there. The people pushing to open no matter what in summer 2020 were irrational. “Emotionally driven, factless opinions” describe it perfectly. [/quote] Tell that to all the schools that opened in Fall 2020. If you didn't want to see the evidence, that's on you. But it was there. But you can't rewrite history to suit yourself.[/quote] They opened without evidence. [/quote] Yep, so much of the type of hindsight is 20-20 BS on this thread is a waste of time. This virus kept changing and continues to do so. It's what they do. To say they "knew" anything in Fall of 2020 is ridiculous. I actually do think schools should have reopened in person much earlier than they did in this area, but to pretend we had certainties? BS.[/quote] “Knew” in this context means “knew” to a reasonable degree of confidence. I would think that anyone who is old enough to be a parent is old enough to have discovered that there are no certainties in life. [/quote] You “knew” without substantial data to back it up. Other people were looking for actual data and/or CDC guidelines. Faulting people for being rational is ridiculous. [/quote] What are you talking about? Point to the data showing young children dying or getting seriously ill en masse at ANY point during the pandemic. You can’t, because that wasn’t happening, ever. The ABSENCE of such cases was all the “substantial data” needed to determine that the priority should have been to keep life as normal as possible for the kids, who were not in danger, and to instead focus on keeping the elderly and other vulnerable members of society as isolated as possible for their own protection.[/quote] In late summer 2020, we did not have substantial data demonstrating that it was safe. There was IIRC just one study of a small daycare centers. [/quote] You responded to my post but you did not address the point. [b]The absence of data showing children becoming seriously ill WAS the data. [/b] You seem to think it’s reasonable to demand a study to prove that continuing to engage in an historically safe behavior will continue to be safe. In actuality, it is reasonable to assume a behavior that has been safe in the past will continue to be safe unless there is new evidence indicating harm. There was no such evidence to justify keeping the schools closed. At no point was Covid killing kids.[/quote] That’s not how science works… [/quote] Jesus Christ. It’s exactly how one is supposed to apply the scientific method. Generate a hypothesis (covid is gonna kill us all!), make observations (covid is killing old people and people with underlying immune, respiratory, and heart conditions), interpret results (there is a very clear and direct exponential trend of severity of outcomes from covid infection as a function of age), draw conclusions (this virus is dangerous to old people but not to kids), and in this case, suggest/implement policy (keep the schools open). So I suppose you are correct in that “that’s not how science works” because we have an entire generation of people who don’t understand how to correctly utilize the scientific method making decisions because SCIENCE.[/quote] We did not studies on how it affected kids - particularly those crammed into tight spaces en masse - at that point. No observation. No data. [/quote] This is tiresome. Do you need a study before you walk out your front door in the morning?[/quote] No, but I’m not responsible for the health of millions of people. [/quote] In countries with universal healthcare and therefore where policymakers are actually "responsible for the health of millions of people" .... they did everything possible to OPEN schools in September 2020.[/quote] So are you pushing for universal healthcare here? [/quote] In principle I would, in practice I see the disaster in universal education in this country because so many prioritize politics over sound policy. Fire anyone who was responsible for stealing years of education from millions of children. That should be step number 1 in fixing this.[/quote] And then what? Who will backfill those positions? What do you want their replacements to do? [/quote] And then what? Who will backfill those positions? [b] PLENTY OF BETTER QUALIFIED PEOPLE OUT THERE -- YOU HIRE THEM.[/b] And then what? THEY FOCUS ON THEIR JOB: EDUCATING CHILDREN. [/quote] Are there? There is a massive shortage of teachers and teachers unions where the ones pushing closure the hardest [/quote] DP. Yep, and with parents like the ones on this board and all the other politically-motivated nonsense going on right now, who is going to want to fill those positions? Answer = no one. [/quote] Which is why we need to fire anyone in the unions, boards and districts who made this disaster take place. Untill that happens it's all mere empty words.[/quote] If we fire people, and no one wants to fill the positions, how does this help kids???????????[/quote] It doesn’t help kids. PP DGAF about public school kids. It does hurt public schools (and our kids). It gives the pro-voucher clowns more excuses for why taxpayers should subsidize their private school education. [/quote] You don't care if your kids were hurt. They were sacrificial lambs in the grand experiment. So don't pretend you care now.[/quote] I absolutely care then and I care now. And I see the way to help kids now is to support schools, not tear them down for ulterior political motives. [/quote] What specifically are you doing to support schools other than accusing others of wanting vouchers? [/quote] That’s certainly the goal for some posters here - they clearly admitted it. Just gave my personal list of ideas. [/quote] Why are you attacking ideas you don’t agree with? None of us is responsible to make any of it happen any way, right? [/quote] Because vouchers won’t fix public schools. [/quote] We know you don’t have any good ideas. So your opinion is irrelevant. You’ve done enough damage.[/quote] I haven’t done any damage and I already posted a list of things we can do. Vouchers aren’t on the list because they hurt public schools/students. [/quote] School closures also hurt kids, but you supported those whole heartedly. You have zero credibility.[/quote] I wasn’t pushing for them to stay virtual, but I did acknowledge that the school districts were taking a reasonable approach. I supported the teachers who were doing the best they could under crazy circumstances. Vouchers will hurt our public school kids. You want to hurt them more? [/quote] We might have to think outside the box to undo all the damage people like you inflicted on them. Are you prepared to do that? Or do you want to keep banging your head against the wall wondering why the same things fail again and again?[/quote] Defunding public schools isn’t the answer no matter how you slice it. No vouchers. [/quote] Ok, you get but one vote.[/quote] It’s the same vote for anyone who cares about public schools. [/quote] Yes we know how much you care about the schools and kids. That was obvious 2020-21. Stop the lies.[/quote] We, the people who have been showing up for years before the pandemic? Who have been engaged and putting in the work? We care more about kids than the complainers who never took any interest in school until the pandemic and who now just want vouchers to subsidize private school. [/quote] Who is we? The people in here who have been staunchly defending the nonsense that happened have been insisting they are merely concerned parents. It was always obvious that you were teachers. Thanks for finally coming clean. Will you also come clean and say you made a mistake and learned anything along the way? It's ok to admit you were wrong isn't that what you teach your students?[/quote] I am a parent who was very engaged in my kids’ schools. I cared before, during, and after the pandemic. I think the school districts made reasonable decisions with the information they had at the time. We all learned a lot and have more info to make better decisions for future pandemics. The pandemic is over now. It’s time to move forward. The best way to do that is to help public schools, not defund them. [/quote] No. We need to discuss all of it. Schools were closed because at the time everyone assumed the benefits outweighed the costs. The bill is now rolling in and we see that wasn't true. It's part of the overall discussion. [b]How can we talk about funding when we haven't even calculated the extent of the damage? How would you even know how to apply the money or where or how much was needed? [/b]You're not going to get anywhere by continually trying to shut down the conversation. If there's no problem they why ask for more funding? And how do we avoid this situation again? If we now know that shutting the schools down is an epic disaster and kids don't just "get over it" what would work better next time? The school districts made a grave miscalculation and you still refuse to see it. Bizarre. Maybe try reading the original article instead of blathering about nothing?[/quote] I read the article. Did you? It isn’t harping on 2020. It’s looking forward. I totally agree we need to do the bolded: Where are we today? How do we fix this? [/quote] So I guess it was just an accident we got where we are. Which means we are doomed to repeat it. The reasoning behind school closures was faulty, that also needs to be addressed and we shouldn't ignore it because some feelings might be hurt. Stop taking it personally.[/quote] My feelings aren’t hurt. It wasn’t my decision. But it was a very reasonable decision for the information we had at the time. Doing a deep dive into what happened would absolutely be helpful to figure out how to deal with another pandemic. DOE/states/school districts should absolutely do that at some point. But it doesn’t help with the current state of education. Many of the issues predate the pandemic. [/quote] The public lost faith in you. You can't demand money to fix the problems you created when there has been an erosion of trust. Do you not get that?[/quote]
Options
Disable HTML in this message
Disable BB Code in this message
Disable smilies in this message
Review message
Search
Recent Topics
Hottest Topics
