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Don’t be obtuse.

We don’t need to hear your twisted rationalizations for cheating. 
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Calling me obtuse and my arguments twisted doesn't make it so. Why not just clearly point out the flaws in my reasoning if they're so evident to you?[/quote]

We aren’t talking about job interviews or studying for a test.

We are talking about the ways parents are cheating the system to give their kids an unfair advantage in AAP/TJ admissions.

It’s unethical to prep for the CogAT and it’s unethical to use former test questions for the old TJ test. It’s cheating the system. If your kids are bright enough let them qualify for AAP/TJ on their own. 
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You still haven't explained *why* it's unethical to prep for the Cogat.  I don't think you can do so successfully, but you should at least try.

Of course one preps to give oneself an advantage, but what's wrong with that? It's not an *unfair* advantage if I prepare well and others prepare less well.

Simply repeating your ad hominem attacks does nothing to prove that you're right. I have provided arguments in support of my view that preparation per se is never unethical. (I grant that illegal activity, breaches of confidentiality, and cheating are unethical - but then one wasn't unethical for prepping, but for prepping *in that fashion*. Prepping without resort to such unethical means, e.g. by studying, familiarizing oneself with publicly available information, and/or practicing, is perfectly ethical and should be encouraged.) You have neither rebutted my arguments not provided counterarguments of your own - you're just banging your fist on the table and repeating "unethical!"

Why isn't it equally unethical, by your reasoning, to prep for *anything*? When is prepping OK according to you and when is it not OK?[/quote]

The sports analogy fits so well here

Do sports teams care about geographic diversity or SES status, or whether a kid practices more than another and does the "test" multiple times beforehand????

No they care about the kids with the most talent in sports period.  Just like TJ should take the best STEAM students period.

And PS to the liberal posters that keep posting about politics.  Get the f out of here.  There are adults trying to have a conversation.  [/quote]

The sports analogy NEVER works when it comes to educational and academic opportunities - especially those that are publicly funded.

The job of a sports team is to compete and to win games. While TJ wins many competitions and is frequently highly recognized, it is NO part of the school's mission to win any competitions or top any rankings, and nowhere in any document does it say that its mission is to find the BEST or MOST qualified students.[/quote]

That wasn't the original analogy, of course. I invoked the sports analogy in the context of the ethics of preparation.

Is it unethical for Tom Brady, or a high school athlete for that matter, to practice, lift weight, and develop a game plan? Should they instead just see whether they can win n their own merits? Of course that's not unethical - they're applauded for practicing and preparing.

The best athletes aren't the ones who can play well without practicing, and more than the best students are the ones who can do well without studying. Being the best is a combination of ability and effort, and honest effort is never unethical.

Why is the Cogat somehow an outlier in which one is accused of cheating, rather than being applauded, for preparing?[/quote]

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