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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Another idiot who doesn’t believe that a student can take the test cold and succeed. What’s your connection to TJHSST again?[/quote] Does seeing the format of the questions help at all? [/quote] It wasn't just seeing the format. Many claimed they saw the actual questions ahead of time. [/quote] That's a great reason to eliminate the Quant-Q. It doesn't explain why the process was gutted to the point that it's impossible to distinguish between a highly gifted kid and a somewhat above average one. They could have retained a baseline proficiency test, teacher recommendations, more substantial problem solving essays, credit for notable accomplishments etc. while still minimizing the impact of extreme prep. [/quote] Well with people buying the test the quantQ didn't help differentiate between students either.[/quote] just a complete digression to dehumanise Asian kids. [/quote] No one is trying to dehumanized Asian kids. People just don't want access to[b] expensive prep centers [/b]to be a significant factor to get into a public school. Pretty sure Asian kids aren't the one paying the $4,000 and trying to game the system. That's all on adults.[/quote] The prep center is just an excuse, a red herring to distract from the underlying racist discrimination against Asians. Parents, not just Asian parents, are all resourceful when it comes to the upbringing of their children. Even if you narrowly tailor a law outlawing academic prep centers and tutoring, as authoritarian China has recently done (it's true, look it up), parents will find some other way to raise their kids how they see fit - and some of them will go to great lengths to prepare their kids for a future in STEMP field and target a high school like TJ. [/quote] No I think it's an actual problem when the majority of kids being admitted attend one of these centers. This reduces the chances of anyone who doesn't attend. The allegations that one center even had test questions is also concerning.[/quote] Unless the prep center is doing something illegal or unethical - like cheating or bribery - there is nothing wrong with one center being successful at providing the type of academic tutoring that makes students successful at applying to a specific selective school. I'll keep reminding people of the fact that the kids who attend this prep school are a self-selected population. Kids don't just show up randomly at this prep center for general tutoring and then magically test into TJ. Kids show up there because they 1) specifically want to attend TJ and 2) already have the academic credentials that make admissions highly likely. I would wager that 100% of all kids who got a 1600 on their SAT, took a sample test from prior test sessions. Does that mean the availability of old tests gives an unfair advantage to kids who score 1600 on SATs? [/quote] How do you explain the fact that despite a significant Facebook presence and advertising campaign, literally 100% of the successful TJ applicants from Curie were of South Asian descent?[/quote] The burden of proof of wrongdoing is on the person making the claim. Baseless innuendos are worthless and only reflect negatively on your character. [/quote] What claim are you arguing? I presented a fact that Curie confirmed when they posted the first and last names of all of their successful TJ, AOS, and AET applicants for the classes of 2022, 2023, and 2024 and literally ALL of them were of South Asian descent.[/quote] Whatever claim you are trying to insinuate by posting about the geographic origins of Curie students. [/quote] Awfully non-specific. [b]That's because I didn't present a claim.[/b] I merely presented a fact and asked for a reasonable explanation of that fact, because frankly, I don't have one and can't see one.[/quote] Well, then what's the point of presenting the fact? What were you insinuating? Why is it a problem for the students to be south eastern descent? Why does it need explaining at all? [/quote] It is a problem that there exists a private tutoring company that nominally exists to get students into TJ that appears to only serve students of one racial background - evidenced by the fact that they have claimed over 250 TJ admits in the last three years and ALL of them are South Asian. If you can't see why that is a problem this is not a conversation you need to involve yourself in. Something tells me that an extremely successful prep company that exclusively catered to white people and nabbed nearly 30% of a class at TJ would be VERY concerning to South Asians.[/quote] Ahhh, now we see the claim. If you believe it's a problem for a prep school to cater to specific demographic groups, that's a case you have to argue and support. It's not for me or anyone else to argue that it's not a problem. The default state of being in the US is that private individuals have the freedom to associate with each other however they choose. Unless you can demonstrate what law or moral code is being broken by Curie, then you have no convincing argument. BTW, I find this infatuation you have demonstrated to contain a tinge of racism. [/quote] 1) Curie acted inappropriately, if not illegally, when they obtained questions from a secured exam and used them to prepare students for said exam in future years. There's nothing wrong or immoral about doing this for an UNsecured exam, but the Quant-Q is a brilliant exam that is secured and essentially useless if prepared for. 2) Furthermore, it is self-evident that they do so with the express purpose of advancing one racial group's acceptances to a publicly-funded institution of higher learning - the 133 offers that they claimed and annotated in the Class of 2024 was equivalent to about 75% of the South Asian population of that class. This statistic only furthers the disgusting narrative that Asian - and specifically Indian - students are only at TJ because their parents paid for expensive prep, when in fact it's likely that a large majority of those students would have been very strong candidates for TJ Admissions even without the impact of the money their parents spent. You referenced the laws regarding free association in America. But what you also know if you have lived here for any length of time at all is that it is unseemly to provide a service that appears to exclude individuals who do not belong to your race. If there were ONE East Asian or white or Black or Hispanic kid in the mix at Curie, that would be one thing - but there isn't. Not one. And that speaks, honestly, to a big part of the reason why change was necessary. A closed network whose goal is to funnel an exclusive group into a school is highly problematic, especially when that network is almost entirely populated with VERY well-resourced families.[/quote] You are missing a point here - curie is run by a retired south asian teacher and a lot of their marketing has been word of mouth. So, its not surprising that you will find south asian students there. Its also possible that style of teaching might repel students/parents from any other cultures or feel out of place. There are quite a few tj prep centers in this area and each cater to specific demographic, though not intentionally. The same happens in Kumon as well, where you will mostly see asians, though a much broader mix of asians even though there isn't much of actual teaching in Kumon to be affected by the style. Curie might have obtained few questions unethically, but I am not sure if there is anything illegal there. If there is pleas sue them! There is always going to be prepping for any sort of test and you just can't avoid it, though the extent of prep defers. Curie got infamous, but there are several other prep centers in the area, exclusive private tutoring (which you don't often hear), educated parents prepping their kids etc - can you realistically ban all of these activities? You can even find Quant-Q test prep books on Amazon. If this test should not be prepped, then we should ban all the books around it. For gods sake, there are so many folks in these forum who are against prepping for Cogat/NNAT/IAAT, when there many books available to buy. My kids do pretty well in school, but I have to admit, I bought Cogat book from Amazon as well and which probably helped my kid(s) get high enough score to get into AAP. Would they have gotten in with out practice tests? may be, but how I can be sure? - hate me now! [/quote] Curie having the questions is fake news. #veryfakenews[/quote] Is that your official statement as a representative of Curie? [/quote] I have no connection to Curie or anyone that has attended Curie. I simply followed the lawsuit and was shocked that no Curie allegation was ever raised. If there was anything to Curie having the questions, I guarantee FCPS would have raised it as a defense to why they dropped the test. They did not. You are perpetuating fake news. [/quote] DP Of course this wasn't part of the lawsuit. But it was part of the reason for changing the admissions. [/quote] Why would a part of the reason not be cited ?[/quote]
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